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Question about the zowie Evo series and their switches

post #1 of 11
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What kind of switches do they use and where can I get some?

I would love to install some of these switches in my other mice. Something I never really liked about omrons is that: 1) They're too light. 2) That tactility isn't very responsive. 3) They feel fine at first but once you break them in (and it usually takes about 2 days for me), it becomes loose feeling.
post #2 of 11
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Also, I have another question: does anyone know what kind of switches the original logitech g9 uses?
post #3 of 11
Custom Huano switches on the ZOWIE eVo, D2FC-7N(10m) on the G9 afaik
post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 
^^ thanks.

I'm really starting to get into switches and such since I play a lot of MOBA style games and as you may know, it is pretty click intensive.

I do have a few other questions, though: I've owned/tested many different mice over the years, and the majority of them obviously use omron switches. But what confuses me is that some feel much different than others. For example, my logitech G9 clicks feel much stiffer and tactile/responsive that my steelseries ikari and my mionix naos 5000. I know shell has a lot to do with this aspect, but it's such a drastic change, Do all omrons really feel the same?

Further more, I've done some research and came across this thread: http://www.overclock.net/t/1152386/what-is-the-best-main-model-of-microswitch and noticed that there are different omrons with different lifespans. i.e. 10 million clicks, 5 million clicks, and 3 million clicks. Would these different omrons feel differently? I would assume so, but obviously I'm uncertain.
post #5 of 11
Omrons have an operating force range, I think its 45-75gf. Usually when a mouse is made, the batch of switches are all within a certain range (eg 65-75gf). The shell does play a really big part though. I don't think the higher rated omrons feel any different, maybe a little, but not a lot.
post #6 of 11
The shell and the placement within that shell will change the feeling and responsiveness.

If you have the switch behind the mouse wheel shaft you have an easier time pressing the buttons. Depending on the shell doing this can reduce responsiveness / tactile feel. If you place the switch in front of the scroll wheel you get better feedback and quicker actuation but this gives the user the impression of stiffer switches.

So if you took Omrons and had a shell that mounted the switch in front of the scroll wheel you would have a much better feeling and quicker actuation without having any custom switches made.

The Zowie Huanos in the EC1/2 are not a good fit for the original shell design. They are great (in my opinion) in the Zowie AM, although the AM has different Huanos in mouse one compared to mouse two.

From my rough measurement it takes 47g of pressure to actuate the Huano switch and 22g to reset.
Edited by popups - 12/13/12 at 12:32pm
post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 
I see.

Something I read yesterday was that the D2FC-7 (which apparently the Logitech G9 uses), is a little different than the other D2F switched. It has this little copper piece that is flipped reversed? so that this "U" shaped thing is bent upward like a "n" and therefore it slightly pushes the spring upward a little more and cause it to become stiffer.
post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

The shell and the placement within that shell will change the feeling and responsiveness.
If you have the switch behind the mouse wheel shaft you have an easier time pressing the buttons. Depending on the shell doing this can reduce responsiveness / tactile feel. If you place the switch in front of the scroll wheel you get better feedback and quicker actuation but this gives the user the impression of stiffer switches.
So if you took Omrons and had a shell that mounted the switch in front of the scroll wheel you would have a much better feeling and quicker actuation without having any custom switches made.
The Zowie Huanos in the EC1/2 are not a good fit for the original shell design. They are great (in my opinion) in the Zowie AM, although the AM has different Huanos in mouse one compared to mouse two.
From my rough measurement it takes 47g of pressure to actuate the Huano switch and 22g to reset.
I think alot of people think reverse, including me biggrin.gif
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by avinin1 View Post

I think alot of people think reverse, including me biggrin.gif

Well the AM shell will always make the switch more responsive and fast to actuate (as I described above) with either Omrons or Huanos.

The thing about the Zowie EC is the shell has a lot of flex with the main buttons. More so with mouse 1. So it can't be responsive or consistent like that. Which means stiffer Huanos are not the best fit for a mouse that has that much flex in the main buttons. That isn't to blame the switch obviously.
post #10 of 11

Preference.

 

Original EC's were equipped with Omron D2FC btw.

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