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i have somewhat asked about this stuff but not as a dedicated thread to help get me rolling.

I'm ok with some of the basics of water cooling, how it goes together, why its better, keeping like metals together.. but other than that i need more help.

i'm building a system with the guts of a ps3, xbox 360, and pc.
the ps3 i have is the cecha01 here is its wiki http://www.ps3devwiki.com/wiki/CECHAxx
the xbox 360 i have is Xbox 360 Pro / Xbox 360 Premium found here in white http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_retail_configurations#Xbox_360_Pro_.2F_Xbox_360_Premium
both of these systems have 1x cpu and 1x gpu (total 4x blocks needed)

the computer will be running an i7 ivy 3770k (plans on overclocking)
gigabyte 7950 (want a water block but depends on price)

my first idea was to run a single loop that would run to two blocks on the ps3, then a single block spanning over both gpu and cpu. this would then be cooled via rad and off to the pc.
idealy the ps3 and xbox 360 shouldn't be on at the same time, however i would like to add in the ability to do so for "show off" effect. (this is provided that i wouldnt have to spend a lot more money on doing so)

if anyone could help out with parts i should be looking at such as rad(s), pump(s), and fittings. that would be a huge help
i had a few things i had in mind about what i would be using but after reading these watercooling builds, i'm not sure of any of those parts anymore.
about the only thing now that i know i like is this
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/16637/ex-tub-1323/Monsoon_Free_Center_Compression_Fitting_-_716ID_x_58OD_-_Modders_6_Pack_Red_FCC-71658-6P-RD.html?tl=g30c569s1763#blank

so i went from pretty sure down to, a single "look" of a fitting that wasnt even part of what i was going to buy to start with.

help me out please, i'm starting to go a tad crazy over all this since i'm no water cooling guru. last thing i want to do is buy a bunch of parts that isnt going to suite my custom build
as a side note, i currently still need to buy the i7 and the mother board, planning on going with this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130660
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What case are you going to be using? This is a very large project, be prepared to drop a significant amount of money in watercooling supplies.
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I think you need to figure out how you will lay out the 3 boards before deciding on how you want to cool them. Routing for water cooling are usually more about placement than performance.

Whether you use 1 or 2 loops depends on what your goal is for the cooling. A single loop will always utilize your radiators better than two separate loops, but if you want more rad on your CPU in order to keep its temp lower for a higher overclock, then sometimes two loops is better and you just allow your GPU loop to run with a higher air/water delta. You can create a single loop with different sub-loops, each with their own pump if you choose, but you need to be aware of flow requirements doing so.

There are several water blocks designed specifically for ps3 and xbox 360; though they are harder to find now.

As far as how much radiator you will need, add up the TDP for each CPU and GPU, 20 for each pump, and 20 for each chipset; then use some of the test data from skinnee's or martin's to see about how much rad area you'll need to dissipate it all.

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I'd look into either a D5 variant or a MCP35X for your pump(s).

I'm partial to the Alphacool NexXxos UT60 radiators, but you'll need to figure out how much space you have where you want your rads to go before making any decisions.
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What case are you going to be using? This is a very large project, be prepared to drop a significant amount of money in watercooling supplies.
mostly the build will be built around the three motherboards and water cooling. so case isn't really an issue since i'm not going with a manufacture case.
that being said, i also do not want a huge case. so going to try to compact as much as i can.
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I think you need to figure out how you will lay out the 3 boards before deciding on how you want to cool them. Routing for water cooling are usually more about placement than performance.
Whether you use 1 or 2 loops depends on what your goal is for the cooling. A single loop will always utilize your radiators better than two separate loops, but if you want more rad on your CPU in order to keep its temp lower for a higher overclock, then sometimes two loops is better and you just allow your GPU loop to run with a higher air/water delta. You can create a single loop with different sub-loops, each with their own pump if you choose, but you need to be aware of flow requirements doing so.
There are several water blocks designed specifically for ps3 and xbox 360; though they are harder to find now.
As far as how much radiator you will need, add up the TDP for each CPU and GPU, 20 for each pump, and 20 for each chipset; then use some of the test data from skinnee's or martin's to see about how much rad area you'll need to dissipate it all.
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I'd look into either a D5 variant or a MCP35X for your pump(s).
I'm partial to the Alphacool NexXxos UT60 radiators, but you'll need to figure out how much space you have where you want your rads to go before making any decisions.

i would really like to stick with a single loop.
finding info on the wattage for either system isn't something i have had luck with
for the first rev xbox there was an article that said
CPU Temp after 1 hour of playing Elder Scrolls Oblivion:
146F

GPU Temp after 1 hour of playing Elder Scrolls Oblivion:
125F

i know my xbox has a Xenon 3 core, and a ATI odd chip
the cpu chip says on the top of mine
xcpu c-a01
x812480-004
074757hfc
c taiwan
not sure what one of those numbers to look up to see the specs of the chip.
i didnt take pictures of the xbox gpu numbers and would have to crack it back open again and remove the heatsinks to look

i have seen some xbox units cooled by a thin single 140mm rad. so i was assuming a 240 slim rad would be overkill then route that liquid to the cpu after cooled.
the xbox and the ps3 are the problem areas, not sure how much cooling is actually needed for those.

as for max area for the rad area, i do not want to go over 17"L x 10"w x (maybe) 2" or 3"h
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Try using two of the thickest 320mm rads you can get.
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The issue with the larger dimension rads is the fan mounting. 120mm fans are best, 140mm can be done, though not as good as 120mm; and everything over that is very meh in terms of static pressure.

Using something like this would be preferrable because even though the rad is larger, it's setup for 120mm fans.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11760/ex-rad-123/Phobya_XTREME_Nova_1080_Radiator.html?tl=g30c95s667
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The issue with the larger dimension rads is the fan mounting. 120mm fans are best, 140mm can be done, though not as good as 120mm; and everything over that is very meh in terms of static pressure.
Using something like this would be preferrable because even though the rad is larger, it's setup for 120mm fans.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11760/ex-rad-123/Phobya_XTREME_Nova_1080_Radiator.html?tl=g30c95s667
only problem with that is it is too large.
thats why i was looking at the one above, it would actually fit.

i'm more interested in knowing if i can run the liquid threw ps3, xbox, the i7 and (maybe also the 7950) and all of the cpu/gpu items will stay cool.
not really sure how many items you can put in a single chain before you need to break them up with a rad
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There is no real limit. You should still figure out the total TDP that needs to be cooled though. More rad area and higher speed fans can push down your air/water delta; and your air/water delta becomes more efficient at being cooled the higher it gets (though makes the running temp higher).
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