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raghu78, Yes that would be the British influence left over in India. Petrol, so if I understand correctly 3.8 liters = just over 1 gal here. And your cost is .80 cents per liter 3.8 x .80 = $ 3.04 per gal??? What is RS, royal sovereign? I don't think I converted that rite... Are you on the British pound system?? I mean we just had a price drop in my area of NY and most stations are at $3.78 per gal...They were at $3.85 per gal... OMG Did you mean $1.50 per liter?? That = $5.70 per gal...

rs is Rupees. the international name is INR. indian rupees. yeah its very costly. USD 1.5 per litre. USD 5.7 per gallon. i know the price sucks biggrin.gif
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post #62 of 77
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raghu78, Boy are you rite that SUCKS!!! I have a Chevy HHR 2006 with a 2.2 4cyl auto trans, it gets 30-32 MPG, my goal is 60-90 MPG it is possible!!!! The mods that I will have to do will cost about $800.00.. OBD II computers are very hard to trick into this gas mileage range even with rewriting the program, you have to trick all the sensors and make the system work together... Every change or improvement you make the computer sees it and changes it back to what ever the factory programed into it.. That's what a tuner does he re writes the program for your needs.. You can have total economy, low hp great gas mileage, street performance, more HP best gas mileage, or full performance all HP lower gas mileage, but if we intervene in the street performance program, say 45 MPG, we can boost that to 60-90 MPG and have the best of both worlds... Great performance and great gas mileage......Now I may not reach 90 MPG but I will get close,very close....I'm already talking to guys that are getting 70 mpg +.....
post #63 of 77
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Tarun, Thanks very much, looks like two great lists.. All though I am planing on the Hyper 212 EVO, and the Mobo's are between the AS Rock Z77 Extreme 4, MSI Z77-G55, & the Asus P8Z77-V LK, Crucial Ballistix 16GB to start, may buy a 4 pack, Cooler Master scout II case, the Power color PCS+ AX7870...Still not sure on the PSU yet, 650 watt will do...I was trying to make sure that I picked a good foundation first then work out the HD, DVD, & or SSD, fans,ect... But still checking and taking it slow before I start buying things... Thanks for your help...FYI the case is a must, I love that case.....I'm going to mod it real nice.... Or the Mass Cool 7WA868 cpu cooler..

The thing is, Tarun's list gives you much better foundation that anything you have been told or come up with yet so far. Aside from probably changing the Motherboard he has picked out. You are not going to get a better gaming rig than what he proposed. He also provides you would much better video card options. You are making a big mistake going with that 7870 with an $800-1000 budget.
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BIG StroOnZ, Thanks for the info, I will check into Tarun's lists and see what things look like.....The guy's on OCN are great and I really need everyone's input...So I do have another question, why is the samsung memory recommended??? all I can find is 4 gig sticks.. I would really like to have 16 gig to start, that's why I said I would buy a 4 pack so that they would be matched for later use if I needed to go to full 32 gig's....So thanks and I have more reading and learning to do....Did you check out Fluidionic's and Tuffoil, it really is the best on the market your eng will never wear out.....Thanks again...
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BIG Stro OnZ, Could you explain more on the cards... The Power color card seamed like a real good card however there is one thing I don't understand.. New egg # N82E168141311484, the reviewer said the bios is locked so does that mean the card can't be OC'd?? And it was staying in my price range also I was trying to stay with a new card without pushing the $280.to 300.+ range... As the used cards that you showed me did that and two of them said in like new shape it is another option....As this is the point of talking about things to make the best picks in regard to the budget limits.....If I had $25,000 to spend I would say the sky is the limit lets build a StarTreck comp or lets get as close as we can...Lol....
post #66 of 77
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BIG Stro OnZ, Could you explain more on the cards... The Power color card seamed like a real good card however there is one thing I don't understand.. New egg # N82E168141311484, the reviewer said the bios is locked so does that mean the card can't be OC'd?? And it was staying in my price range also I was trying to stay with a new card without pushing the $280.to 300.+ range... As the used cards that you showed me did that and two of them said in like new shape it is another option....As this is the point of talking about things to make the best picks in regard to the budget limits.....If I had $25,000 to spend I would say the sky is the limit lets build a StarTreck comp or lets get as close as we can...Lol....

An overclocked 7870 is about as good as my overclocked 2GB GTX 460's in SLI. @1080p I was able to max out most games, except a few games where I had to drop the aliasing to FXAA or 2x AA. Which all and all isn't so bad. What makes it bad is that if you spend $20 more than what you are spending on a new 7870 is that you can grab a used 7950. I ditched the 460's for a GTX 670. Which is the Nvidia equivalent of a 7950. Now I'm able to max out every game without any hassles. All games run smooth as butter maxed out @ 1080p. With a 7950 you will get the same experience. In some cases you might even get more frames than what a 670 can get. You also will be able to take the 7950 farther in overclocking. When you can grab a used 7950 from a trustworthy vendor like Amazon.com for as low as $256 it just doesn't make sense to go with a new 7870. They have options in their used vendor list that are nothing more than open box items that were never actually used. The MSI 7950 I'm showing you here is a pretty good card and a good overclocker. You won't be disappointed with getting the 7950.
post #67 of 77
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BIG Stro OnZ, If I use the second build specs from Tarun's biuld list and change the Mobo to the AS Rock Z 77 Extreme 4, and change CPU cooler to the MassCool 7WA868, I can always add the SSD later... This should put me at a price of $850.oo or $860.oo..... I think the SSD is so you can load the operating system on that and have a fast boot time is that rite?? His price quote of $794.92..... I'm just not very comfortable with the Biostar board... Also if you compare the ASRock board the ASUS P8 Z 77-V LK and the MSI Z 77-GD 55 side by side it seams that the AS Rock board has more features and is better....Am I making the rite assumptions??? The MassCool has a CFM rating of 93.7 cfm the Hyper 212 EVO has 82.9 cfm and the stock cooler is just sad for cfm rating.. As I was not planing on liquid cooling I felt it was better to upgrade there as well....I really don't want liquid in my computer.......because of A. 1 bolt of lightning on the top of my head in a rain storm, that hurt a lot.....B. 220 volts from a hot water tank, that hurt a lot......C. 440 volts from a faulty power meter, knocked me 10 ft in the air and hurt even more.... So Air cooling is my pick.....So what do you think??
post #68 of 77
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BIG Stro OnZ , GREAT ans now I got it!!! That's what I need more info... I will check it out....I no the 7950 is a great card just was trying not to spend $300+ but your advice and that price works.. I to have bought used items and had good results plus saved a little money also..... Thanks man.....
post #69 of 77
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BIG Stro OnZ, If I use the second build specs from Tarun's biuld list and change the Mobo to the AS Rock Z 77 Extreme 4, and change CPU cooler to the MassCool 7WA868, I can always add the SSD later... This should put me at a price of $850.oo or $860.oo..... I think the SSD is so you can load the operating system on that and have a fast boot time is that rite?? His price quote of $794.92..... I'm just not very comfortable with the Biostar board... Also if you compare the ASRock board the ASUS P8 Z 77-V LK and the MSI Z 77-GD 55 side by side it seams that the AS Rock board has more features and is better....Am I making the rite assumptions??? The MassCool has a CFM rating of 93.7 cfm the Hyper 212 EVO has 82.9 cfm and the stock cooler is just sad for cfm rating.. As I was not planing on liquid cooling I felt it was better to upgrade there as well....I really don't want liquid in my computer.......because of A. 1 bolt of lightning on the top of my head in a rain storm, that hurt a lot.....B. 220 volts from a hot water tank, that hurt a lot......C. 440 volts from a faulty power meter, knocked me 10 ft in the air and hurt even more.... So Air cooling is my pick.....So what do you think??

Yes, changing the mobo to the Extreme 4 would be great. Also, personally I wouldn't go with the MassCool cooler. If you are not going to get a Hyper 212 Evo, go with the Thermalright True Spirit. Also, yes, you can always add an SSD later. SSD's help boot up times. If you have one large enough to install programs on in addition to your OS (Operating System) it also helps those load times too. If you have a separate one for games, then it helps those load times too. However, personally, I don't have an SSD. I will be upgrading to two of them (one for Programs/OS and one for Games) sometime in the Spring. Do I really have any complaints about being on my mechanical drives? Not really. Don't really lose any gaming performance at all. Load times are still pretty short because of how nice my overclock is.

It's not that Biostar is all that bad, it's just that for a little more money the ASRock gives you tons of better features. You are right with what you believe in comparing the ASRock to some of the other boards out there. CFM Rating is not so much of a big deal as the quality and displacement of heat from the heat pipes of the heatsink. If I was going to pick up an air cooler in the low to mid price range, it would be either the CM Hyper 212 Evo or the Thermalright True Spirit 140 for quality purposes. Just make sure you pick up some nice thermal paste like Prolimatech PK3.

Whatever misconceptions you have about the safety of water cooling should be properly dismissed. There are a lot of companies offering All-in-One Water cooling solutions, like Corsair. Which basically do all the work for you. Installation is a breeze. Don't have to worry about changing water or installing something incorrectly and destroying your computer. It's all sealed in accordingly. However, at bare minimum you want to go with an H80 which is going to cost you about $80. Right now though newegg has the H80 going for 69.99 after rebate. So that's up to you. Would I recommend it over air cooling, yes, because generally lower temps mean higher overclocks. Lower temps also generally mean longer life span of your CPU.
post #70 of 77
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BIG Stro ON Z, Great ans!!! Now since you said that about the coolers, I was planing on the Storm scout II case but I thought hey it has a cpu cut out so why not take the right side panel trace it from the inside do a 60 mm cut, out put a 60mm fan & grill in maybe 20 cfm I just don't no if blowing out would be better or blowing in on the back side of the cpu would be better.....And yes I did get that on the heat pipes on the cooler I just thought the higher cfm would be better.... I will check the true spirit 140 and I was looking at Artic silver 5 or 7 I think.... Haven't herd of the paste you said but I'll check....Thanks....
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