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Obviously you didn't read it, otherwise you'd realize that TR's current soapbox is a 180 flip from all of their previous data. Meaning, there was no poor frametime performance until now. And even within parts of their soapbox, the data is wacked.
Re-read the last part of that post, three times if you have to.
This conspiracy that AMD has been trading stutter for max fps is made up. It's no where to be found in their previous tests.

If the results were different with 12.7b's, wouldn't that actually make an argument for the claim that the stutter was introduced with the 12.11b's?

Edit: Ninja'd. I'm getting too old redface.gif
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If the results were different with 12.7b's, wouldn't that actually make an argument for the claim that the stutter was introduced with the 12.11b's?
Edit: Ninja'd. I'm getting too old redface.gif

12.8 is just a whql version of 12.7b so....
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Obviously you didn't read it, otherwise you'd realize that TR's current soapbox is a 180 flip from all of their previous data. Meaning, there was no poor frametime performance until now. And even within parts of their soapbox, the data is wacked..

That doesn't eliminate the possibility that the 12.11 drivers are to blame. If the 12.11 drivers added this latency, then you'd expect it to be better in older tests using older drivers. What they need to do now is re-test with the older drivers and see if they get similar or different results.


You guys keep going in circles perpetuating the same conspiracy.

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Why does the 7950 from months ago show no frametime issues but suddenly it's off the map now? Hmm...

The obvious answer is new drivers. Maybe that FPS improvement came at the expense of latency.
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660TI actually gained 1 fps in that test. tongue.gif

Ninja edited you.


Sorry, they didn't frame their tests as a driver test. It was not exploratory or investigative and instead vindictive.
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well i think everybody knows that Nvidia Geforce is the brand that provides the superior experience, and of course that usually command a premium price. Geforce has always have the fastest GPU and the smoothest frame rate. It also has the best multi-GPU solution, sometimes not in term of pure frame rate, but the smoothness, which is much more practical than a random average number.
Radeon's only advantage is time-to-market, earliest adoption of newest technology, and value.

For anything where money does not matter, or even when comparing between products of the same category, Geforce is the clear choice.
That said I bought a HD 7870 because i like 256-bit bus better.
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I've been reading several threads about this on OCN in the past few days and decided to take a look at games with my 7850. It might not be either of the cards they tested but, I did however noticed heavy stuttering in GW2. Generally every 4-5 seconds I would notice a big skip and it was rather consistent the whole time played. I went to change map areas to a less gpu intensive area and as my fps got closer to 120 (my monitor is 120hz) the stuttering either went away or it was hardly noticeable. I then went to try running the same areas again with my monitor and game set @ 60hz but the results were pretty much the same.

Really curious as to if it's being caused by the 12.11 drivers right now and will install fraps and benchmark a couple games to see what happens once I have the time. At first I thought this whole micro stutter thing was just an attempt to make the 7950 look like a bad card but they might be on to something really important.
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You guys keep going in circles perpetuating the same conspiracy.

What conspiracy? They used different drivers and got different results. Where's the conspiracy in that?

The only conspiracy I've seen is your claim that TR did this on purpose to make AMD look bad.
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What you are calling stuttering, is frames changing from one to the next as in one frame, then another and so on and at this slow motion capture that "stuttering" is just frames changing, if that time change is sporadic and varied, that's the problem. YYes, the 660 has a couple of spikes, but so do quite a few cards, the issue here is the big jumps.
In other words you admit that the 660ti is stuttering. The video does show stutter from both cards. But you seem to not like how the 7950 stutters. So in the end neither are smooth.
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If I wasn't lazy I'd compare previous reviews against the new one but it's more difficult because the only game that is in common is skyrim.

If we compare August 16th



vs

Yesterdays



well.. the only hardware differences that I can spot are the driver's (system drivers including GPU)

and the fact that on aug 16th's review, the 660ti was 7870 territory.



Aug

Yesterday

vs



From purely an FPS standpoint, it seems to be within the margin of error for the 7950 in both win7/8.

I have no way to test this with my stock 7950 because the only game of those that I own on PC is Batman: AA, not no idea on how to get the frame-times and everything else, but I would be very interested to see how my 956be and th rest of my system fared against their own.
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1 engine, 1 test, and we are concluding which card stutters more? lol ok bro.
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Where is the conspiracy on AMD's part exactly? Even if they did increase fps at the cost of stutter in 12.11 drivers they are still, you know, BETA DRIVERS! That being said, I still don't see the big deal here? Sped up to normal game speed I don't think I'd notice those infrequent skips that much without FRAPS and a data logger... rolleyes.gif
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