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Here.
I just downloaded fraps & frafs viewer and hopped in a 64man CQB BF3 multiplayer server and recorded 120 seconds of gameplay. I had some other stuff open (don't know if that affects results or not) and this was not in any way "optimized" or anything. I'm running (temporarily until Wednesday!) an AMD FX-8120 @ stock + 2x 7970 X-fire @ stock with 8GB ram & Ocz Vertex 4 SSD.
The crazy spike at the end was me accidentally alt tabbing to a Skype window on my second monitor when I thought the test was over--but it was not.
Overall, I don't know what TR did but their results are significantly worse than mine are--and I'm quite CPU bottlenecked as well.

I find it funny that for a majority of the posts in this topic you can first look at what the poster is running in their system and be about 98% accurate in guessing the slant of their post. Personally, I have no faith to either side. They all just want my money and don't care about me--why should I go around and cheerlead for them? I've owned LOTS of both cards and I only buy whatever is the best bang/buck or just purely the best at the moment of purchase. We all know how often these two companies slug it out and there has not necessarily been a clear victor in awhile, especially with the performance increases they seem to be nabbing with each driver update--though picking up the 7970's ~$340ish new with rebates and 3 games is a pretty sweet deal right now.

Ah, so you're the only person who isn't slanted, right?

I've been pretty clear on my affiliations (or lack of). MY point of argument has been against people claiming the NV card looks anything but perfect here, because it pretty much is.
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So AMD still sucks and everyone else is the bestest. With that said, I'll buy the 7950 early next year.
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Ah, so you're the only person who isn't slanted, right?
I've been pretty clear on my affiliations (or lack of). MY point of argument has been against people claiming the NV card looks anything but perfect here, because it pretty much is.

Yes, because that is exactly what I said. Nice dodge of presented information that clearly disputes what TR posted, though. I don't know what TR did with that video but I highly suspect in real-time to the human eye both cards look identical and it still just boils down to current[read: at moment of purchase] price/performance. Someone else made a decent point about recording a 240fps video and uploading it to a 30fps youtube...
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Originally Posted by usmcz View Post

Here.
I just downloaded fraps & frafs viewer and hopped in a 64man CQB BF3 multiplayer server and recorded 120 seconds of gameplay. I had some other stuff open (don't know if that affects results or not) and this was not in any way "optimized" or anything. I'm running (temporarily until Wednesday!) an AMD FX-8120 @ stock + 2x 7970 X-fire @ stock with 8GB ram & Ocz Vertex 4 SSD.
The crazy spike at the end was me accidentally alt tabbing to a Skype window on my second monitor when I thought the test was over--but it was not.
Overall, I don't know what TR did but their results are significantly worse than mine are--and I'm quite CPU bottlenecked as well.

I find it funny that for a majority of the posts in this topic you can first look at what the poster is running in their system and be about 98% accurate in guessing the slant of their post. Personally, I have no faith to either side. They all just want my money and don't care about me--why should I go around and cheerlead for them? I've owned LOTS of both cards and I only buy whatever is the best bang/buck or just purely the best at the moment of purchase. We all know how often these two companies slug it out and there has not necessarily been a clear victor in awhile, especially with the performance increases they seem to be nabbing with each driver update--though picking up the 7970's ~$340ish new with rebates and 3 games is a pretty sweet deal right now.

And since you have a 7970, let me add my recent my 7950 graph with everything at ultra playing BF3 with vsync off.


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Yes, because that is exactly what I said. Nice dodge of presented information that clearly disputes what TR posted, though. I don't know what TR did with that video but I highly suspect in real-time to the human eye both cards look identical and it still just boils down to current[read: at moment of purchase] price/performance. Someone else made a decent point about recording a 240fps video and uploading it to a 30fps youtube...

It was recorded at 240FPS, it's not a 240FPS video. The FPS it's shown at doesn't matter at all.

And like someone said above, this isn't a problem with the 7970.


And yeah, as I said way earlier in this thread. I have a GTX670, my friend has a 7950, and I honestly can't see the difference when I'm at his house. As long as it plays the games on the best settings @ 60FPS, I care not.
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It was recorded at 240FPS, it's not a 240FPS video. The FPS it's shown at doesn't matter at all.
And like someone said above, this isn't a problem with the 7970.
And yeah, as I said way earlier in this thread. I have a GTX670, my friend has a 7950, and I honestly can't see the difference when I'm at his house. As long as it plays the games on the best settings @ 60FPS, I care not.

Point noted on the video (I just saw the original comment, no follow-ups). With most of the comments, it seemed to me people just blamed 7900s/AMD's in general. I don't have any 7950's but the guy a few posts up does and his results also seem similar to mine.

In the end, I completely agree with you. I had gtx 560ti's before this recently, and my buddy has a gtx 670 as well right now--they all are the same to me so long as we can get the best settings @ playable FPS. I really don't see a difference in person, and that was my only point: Whatever is the best deal at time of purchase is who gets my money. thumb.gif
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Someone else made a decent point about recording a 240fps video and uploading it to a 30fps youtube...

Actually they had no point at all.

The video was shot at 240fps and then slowed down to 50% speed which is why the 240fps video is longer.

Anything that could be attributed to youtube's compression did would show on both sides of the video, not just one.
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post #308 of 542
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Actually they had no point at all.
The video was shot at 240fps and then slowed down to 50% speed which is why the 240fps video is longer.
Anything that could be attributed to youtube's compression did would show on both sides of the video, not just one.

Yes, which is why both sides do not look that smooth, there are definite points I see on both that are choppy and would make me consider not buying either--and in real life I bet both of those cards look quite fantastic. Regardless, the two graphs above you point out the glaring inconsistencies with regular people testing their hardware and TR's test.
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Hmm. So the observation has been made that people seem to think the ones who say the Nvidia side looks smoother have a Nvidia card in their rig, and vice versa. Well...duh. The very concept of 'preference' is why there are slight variations among similar products on the market. Obviously one product or another was purchased based on that particular person seeing one product as superior to the competition in some way, or else they wouldn't have purchased it in the first place.

Some call it bias, I call it common sense wink.gif
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^ Well another contributing factor to that and the screen tearing is that, I believe, they didn't use V-Sync, so both cards are churning out frames at more than 60FPS, on a 60Hz monitor, so there is some tearing taking place. But it still doesn't cover for the mental latencies shown on that 7950. Evne just looking at the graph you can see the 660Ti as being quite tight with around 3 lag spikes up to around 60ms, but they're all within around 5-7ms between each other (the scale of the graph isn't that clear) whereas we can see the difference for the 7950 is much larger.
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