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Including stress tests? At stock, it BSODs on 306 but I can still overclock to 830Mhz on 296 without problems, I'm not saying every nVidia card or GTX 470 owner will get this, but nVidia's driver support is far worse than what you hear about here. (Just like how AMDs is far better than you generally hear about online, for some reason)
Could be, I'm pretty sure my Crucial M4 is somewhat faulty but I did get driver crashes on 306s when I had it in a spare Core 2 Duo rig. (No BSODs, but the BSOD was because the driver crashed 6 times in under a minute and Windows shut itself down to prevent damage)
296 drivers and it's fine with stress testing and gaming, BSOD was on a rig with a known fault (Hence why I know the 470 is fine, I've been extensively stress testing every part from that rig to actually work out what's broken) but the driver crashes continue only on 306, 310 is fine for some reason.

I've never had a BSOD, nor any of the issues you speak of on ANY driver since I've had my card, I must be lucky?

The only time my drivers crashed were when I was stress-testing and had an unstable OC. But even then, it just crashed to the desktop, my card has never caused a BSOD.

This card is rock solid stable at 800 MHZ / 1800 memory.

Ever thought that it's just your card having issues?
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True though it does seem that many people in this thread have the same general opinion as I do in that the 7950 seems smoother than the 660Ti during the segments between the larger lags....

Here's something interesting I noticed in this thread, the majority of those who say the 7950 is smoother have an AMD GPU. Go back and see for yourself, just take these 2 posts as an example:





Of course, the same can be said the other way around. wink.gif



Not trying to single anyone out, my point is.... well... isn't it obvious?
Edited by 2010rig - 12/17/12 at 3:15am
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So you still don't understand that the frame-to-frame stutter is exactly what you're supposed to be seeing with a high speed video such as this, but the intermittent jumps with the 7950 are not? Then it seems you are not ready to get the point of gameplay quality beyond frame rate.

Anybody who takes the conclusion of both are choppy simply does not understand what is happening.

If you think this thread is pointless then just ignore it. Some of us would like to see what the conclusion to this ends up being.

I'm going to install my 7970 tonight and compare the frametimes to what I recorded on Fraps with my 670 earlier.
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The proof is pretty obvious for any mature human who understands what I wrote.


Our eyes do not capture images at the same rate that those cameras do.


This test is just stupid, it means literally nothing for any gamer with human eyes, and before the fanboys and criticizers start I have no preference in terms of Nvidia or AMD.

Human eyes can see that, we're very sensitive with motion and creating the illusion of it with what is essentially a very fast slideshow, this is the same phenomenon as Micro-Stutter.
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Including stress tests? At stock, it BSODs on 306 but I can still overclock to 830Mhz on 296 without problems, I'm not saying every nVidia card or GTX 470 owner will get this, but nVidia's driver support is far worse than what you hear about here. (Just like how AMDs is far better than you generally hear about online, for some reason)
Could be, I'm pretty sure my Crucial M4 is somewhat faulty but I did get driver crashes on 306s when I had it in a spare Core 2 Duo rig. (No BSODs, but the BSOD was because the driver crashed 6 times in under a minute and Windows shut itself down to prevent damage)
296 drivers and it's fine with stress testing and gaming, BSOD was on a rig with a known fault (Hence why I know the 470 is fine, I've been extensively stress testing every part from that rig to actually work out what's broken) but the driver crashes continue only on 306, 310 is fine for some reason.

I've never had a BSOD, nor any of the issues you speak of on ANY driver since I've had my card, I must be lucky?

The only time my drivers crashed were when I was stress-testing and had an unstable OC. But even then, it just crashed to the desktop, my card has never caused a BSOD.

This card is rock solid stable at 800 MHZ / 1800 memory.

Ever thought that it's just your card having issues?

Nah, some people get issues, most people don't unless the driver is really bad is what I've noticed with drivers in general.

And yes, I have. Something in my rig has been screwing up for a few months now and I'm pretty sure I've traced it to my SSD, everything else bar the GPU works fine without it, however the GPU works fine without it on most sets of drivers, 306 just hates my particular 470 for some reason, even 310 works fine. (306 in a system with the SSD = 5-6 driver restarts within 30 seconds of starting a movie, 306 in a system without the SSD = driver restart, stuck at 2D clocks until I restart the system but fine. Classic nVidia bug I've been getting on cards since my 6800GS that isn't very common, 296/310 without SSD = No issues)

I'm not saying nVidia's drivers are worse, I'm just saying anyone who is posting in a way that makes it sound like it's only AMD who deoptimises drivers for increased benchmark scores, doesn't improve cards when the next generation is out, etc is only fooling themselves.
    
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Drivers
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Go find something else to do.
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I've never had a BSOD, nor any of the issues you speak of on ANY driver since I've had my card, I must be lucky?
The only time my drivers crashed were when I was stress-testing and had an unstable OC. But even then, it just crashed to the desktop, my card has never caused a BSOD.
This card is rock solid stable at 800 MHZ / 1800 memory.
Ever thought that it's just your card having issues?
Here's something interesting I noticed in this thread, the majority of those who say the 7950 is smoother have an AMD GPU. Go back and see for yourself, just take these 2 posts as an example:


Of course, the same can be said the other way around. wink.gif

Not trying to single anyone out, my point is.... well... isn't it obvious?

Thign is, if people can't tell by watching the video taht the 7950 is worse off, then they need only look at the graph. IF they see the graph and still try to assert that the 660ti is the worst then they are pretty much bias. You can't ignore the data!
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these are both pretty lame cards. doesnt almost every review of the gtx680 and the 7970 make a statement about how crappy the 7970 is at lower framerates and that the gtx680 makes the lower framerates smooth and playable? why dont you just go go get an hd2600xt and a 7800gt and keep doing comparisons on lame cards that cant spit a good frame rate on anything modern anyhow.
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Anybody who takes the conclusion of both are choppy simply does not understand what is happening.
If you think this thread is pointless then just ignore it. Some of us would like to see what the conclusion to this ends up being.
I'm going to install my 7970 tonight and compare the frametimes to what I recorded on Fraps with my 670 earlier.

again.. now you are putting a 7970 against a 670 which is supposed to compete with the 7950 in the first place.. your results are meaningless because they are not competing cards. the 7970 is supposed to beat the 670.. they are not the same tier. and if it does not it is because nvidia makes a better card. its nice that the 7970 can spit a higher overall framerate but it is inconsistent. it is 2 frames here 4 frames there and 1 frame here and 4 frames there... choppy when compared to a 680.
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again.. now you are putting a 7970 against a 670 which is supposed to compete with the 7950 in the first place.. your results are meaningless because they are not competing cards. the 7970 is supposed to beat the 670.. they are not the same tier. and if it does not it is because nvidia makes a better card. its nice that the 7970 can spit a higher overall framerate but it is inconsistent. it is 2 frames here 4 frames there and 1 frame here and 4 frames there... choppy when compared to a 680.

Why? By TR logic we'll put up two cards in same price range.... wink.gif
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again.. now you are putting a 7970 against a 670 which is supposed to compete with the 7950 in the first place.. your results are meaningless because they are not competing cards. the 7970 is supposed to beat the 670.. they are not the same tier. and if it does not it is because nvidia makes a better card. its nice that the 7970 can spit a higher overall framerate but it is inconsistent. it is 2 frames here 4 frames there and 1 frame here and 4 frames there... choppy when compared to a 680.

The 7950 isn't a competitor to the GTX670 :/

Look at this 660Ti review:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/08/16/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-ti-2gb-review/1

And this 7950 review:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2012/08/16/amd-radeon-hd-7950-3gb-with-boost/1


The 7950 is nowhere near the GTX670.

Which is why a lot of people were suspicious when the 7950 started out performing the 660Ti, despite a lot of reviews previously showing it behind it. Is it any wonder? The 660Ti dropped on us at £50 lower than the 7950 and performed better (both those links are dated the 16th August and the GTX660ti is cheaper). AMD needed to do something about it so it seems they relaxed the frame times in order to gain FPS.
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660ti is still ~20-30$ more expensive here than 7950b tongue.gif
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