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post #1811 of 5495
Dolby live only supports 16/48 max and DTS connect supports 24/48 max.

So setting it higher(in both speaker or spdif devices) may result in either

A) your receiver can't decode it or your sbz can't encode it properly. Not sure which of these, more testing is needed.

B) the sbz will just downmix to DTS or DD specs anyways when it sends the bitstream.

So set your spdif and speaker device to 16/48 and see if that helps.

Update: did some more testing.

As it turns out, when in DD or DTS encoding mode, the frequency and bitrate in windows don't matter. The
Encoder specifies its own max rates and frequencies. So as long as your receiver supports DTS or DD, it should send the signal fine.

The frequency and rate on windows only matters in stereo regular mode. Meaning without encoding on.

What also matters is whether you set headphone or 5.1 speaker mode. To get all 5 channels you need to set 5.1 speaker mode in the sbz panel.

Also there is quite a bit of delay for both encoding methods. I estimate roughly 100ms of delay which is bad for gaming and very unimmersive. Effectively making the z terrible for 5.1 gaming through optical to speakers.
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post #1812 of 5495
Ill try that shortly. It is normal that without one of these selected the output is only stereo (the 5.1 indicator doesnt light up)
post #1813 of 5495
Of course its normal. Optical can only carry 2 channels of audio uncompressed as PCM.

Make sure your reciever can in fact decode DTS and Dolby digital.

What receiver is it?
    
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post #1814 of 5495
OK - Was just about to say it made not difference.

The Amp is a Marantz SR7300 and the supports DTS (the DTS light is actually lit up). SBZ is set to speakers and 5.1 and the front indicated on the amp shows each speaker being active as soon as I switch to DTS or Live. But the test sound from the SBZ control panel continues just to play out the left and right speakers.

I have noticed the delay you mention as when both amp and PC speakers are on you get a weird echo effect. Wondered how that would translate to games.

Tempted to buy an HDMI capable amp tho could do without the hastle if this would just work for the occasional games I would play through the TV/Surround sound instead of the PC and headphones and of course for watching movies.
post #1815 of 5495
Instead of using that sbz control panel test video ,use a 5.1 test file.

http://www.lynnepublishing.com/surround/www_lynnemusic_com_surround_test.wma

http://www.jensign.com/bdp95/7dot1voiced/7dot1voiced.zip

Have you actually tried games and movies yet to see?
    
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At work now so will try that when home. No games installed as new build and waiting for another SSD / didnt think much point if the control panel didnt work.
post #1817 of 5495
Your giving Creative way too much credit.

A piece of advice. Next time you have an issue use more than one source file/program please. Always always always narrow down your issue by process of elimination. Otherwise its difficult and frustrating for those helping you to figure out your problem.

One last thing, on a lot of avr's, you can take a 5.1 signal and downmix it into stereo. Are you sure your receiver isn't doing that? Have you read your manual or checked different modes of playback.
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post #1818 of 5495
Can anyone summarize the consensus in this thread about the Z vs ZXR? I've read in some other places that it might be better to go for the Z with a <$100 amp? I read that the ACM degrades the quality and I don't do any kind of studio recording so the ZXR daughter card won't come into use.

So that leaves the higher SNR & better DAC to be the sole reasons that I'm paying $100 more. Did I miss anything?

I'm going to be using it with an AKG Q701 for high level competitive FPS gaming.
    
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post #1819 of 5495
The q701,from my understanding does scale up with higher quality DACs and stronger amps. A lot of people say it can be power hungry.

With that said. If you have cash to burn and dont want an external amp to use with consoles or anything else, get the zxr. All in one solution.

If you'd like to bring a DAC and amp over to use with consoles one day, buy the z OEM and an external DAC/amp and feed it optically from the z. That's my setup.

Even the Z by itself at first should be fine with the q701s. Then upgrade externally down the road.

I made the mistake of buying the ZXR and the ACM and daughtetboard sat unused . $280 with tax was a little too much for that.

But its up to you.

Is the zxr worth the extra $150 price tag over the z? Depends on how serious about sound quality you are and how much much music you listen to.

For straight gaming, the z is more than enough. You can always add an amp to the z if you want more power down the road.
    
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post #1820 of 5495
Id just get the regular Z with an amp or maybe even a DAC if you think its not great sounding.

Or unless you dont even want the Creative software, just get an amp and dac and skip the soundcard entirely. (wish i did this.)
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