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Because leaving it at default while turning the bass to 0 sounds really strange. Bass 0, crossover 700 is the closest I could get to replicate turning the Window's bass to 0 when using the xtremegamer.

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Erh, dunno about the ZxR, but setting crossover to 700 effectively eliminates all bass, no? - surely just pumping the bass hz down to -24 does the same lol

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So, what can I do with SB Z to get that Bass tone to level 0% (or -12 as stated by windows sound control for tone) ? With my X-Fi, I set Bass tone to 0% and from Speakers control I set bass to 100% and cross over to 80 for bass redirection. Is it EQ 62 on the SB Z ?

250Hz and above is low-mid, not bass at all, not what you want to touch unless you have reaaaly shoddy speakers or cans.

if you reaaly want to have no LFE;



and leave "bass redirection" either off or at the default setting, it should ALWAYS be <150Hz, most of the time 80-100 depending on the characteristics of your subwoofer, but this EQ setting has the exact effect of unplugging your sub entirely.

and an extra note; my setup for my microlab 5.1 speakers; images (Click to show)




volume always stays at 50% for both speakers and headphones, I adjust speaker volume via the amp and headphones via the ACM
   
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250Hz and above is low-mid, not bass at all, not what you want to touch unless you have reaaaly shoddy speakers or cans.

if you reaaly want to have no LFE;



and leave "bass redirection" either off or at the default setting, it should ALWAYS be <150Hz, most of the time 80-100 depending on the characteristics of your subwoofer, but this EQ setting has the exact effect of unplugging your sub entirely.

and an extra note; my setup for my microlab 5.1 speakers; images (Click to show)




volume always stays at 50% for both speakers and headphones, I adjust speaker volume via the amp and headphones via the ACM

With X-Fi Tone control, Bass is set to 0% but with Subwoofer Level set to100%, Bass Redirection Enabled and Crossover frequency to 80Hz and bass is bery good for me and not annoying my family. With SBZ EQ set as in your pic, there is no bass at all. Here is how I set it to get decent bass but still it is not near good as my X-Fi settings :



Here is my experience so far:

I've had X-Fi Titanium PCIe for a few years and been very happy with it. Recently I decided to upgrade although I knew I may not hear a huge difference because of my 14 years old Cambridge Soundworks DTT3500 Digital speakers.

I received the new Sound Blaster Z yesterday and I couldn't hear much of a difference indeed BUT I found out that it was a DOWNGRADE rather than an upgrade and here is why:

1-Only 5.1 analog output vs 7.1 on the X-Fi (I knew about it but thought audio quality upgrade would compensate)

2-No Bass/Treble Tone control: This was critical for me because I always set Bass to 0%, Subwoofer Level to 100%, Bass Redirection Enabled and Crossover frequency to 80Hz and I can't get the same levels with the SB Z using the EQ. Its bass is either too low or too high. Why would Creative do that is beyond me !

3-No Stereo Xpand. SBX Pro Studio sucks for music

4-No EAX effects. Yeah, Creative, the creator of EAX that spent many years convincing us of how awesome it is suddenly says it is not good and ditch it.
I don't use EAX effects with my speakers but always use it with my Roccat Kave 5.1 headphones to get a better channel separation and sound stage.

5-No different modes for Entertainment, Games and Audio Creation: maybe it is not needed anymore but still it was nice to find so many features.


I would like to hear some suggestions, maybe there are some fixes for these issues before I give up and sell the SB Z and keep my X-Fi Titanium PCIe.
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On mo ile but anyone recall what the xfi titanium had for a dac and what ohm it supported? Tempted to hook mine up and do a comparison. Curious if the acm would work with it lol
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With X-Fi Tone control, Bass is set to 0% but with Subwoofer Level set to100%, Bass Redirection Enabled and Crossover frequency to 80Hz and bass is bery good for me and not annoying my family. With SBZ EQ set as in your pic, there is no bass at all. Here is how I set it to get decent bass but still it is not near good as my X-Fi settings :



Here is my experience so far:

I've had X-Fi Titanium PCIe for a few years and been very happy with it. Recently I decided to upgrade although I knew I may not hear a huge difference because of my 14 years old Cambridge Soundworks DTT3500 Digital speakers.

I received the new Sound Blaster Z yesterday and I couldn't hear much of a difference indeed BUT I found out that it was a DOWNGRADE rather than an upgrade and here is why:

1-Only 5.1 analog output vs 7.1 on the X-Fi (I knew about it but thought audio quality upgrade would compensate)

2-No Bass/Treble Tone control: This was critical for me because I always set Bass to 0%, Subwoofer Level to 100%, Bass Redirection Enabled and Crossover frequency to 80Hz and I can't get the same levels with the SB Z using the EQ. Its bass is either too low or too high. Why would Creative do that is beyond me !

3-No Stereo Xpand. SBX Pro Studio sucks for music

4-No EAX effects. Yeah, Creative, the creator of EAX that spent many years convincing us of how awesome it is suddenly says it is not good and ditch it.
I don't use EAX effects with my speakers but always use it with my Roccat Kave 5.1 headphones to get a better channel separation and sound stage.

5-No different modes for Entertainment, Games and Audio Creation: maybe it is not needed anymore but still it was nice to find so many features.


I would like to hear some suggestions, maybe there are some fixes for these issues before I give up and sell the SB Z and keep my X-Fi Titanium PCIe.

you'll need to learn how to use an EQ, as the classic treblenbass controls virtually don't exist in most hardware nowadays, but an EQ is exactly the same as those, you just get a large spectrum to play with instead of only high and low.

just play music and whatnot and play with the sliders, you should find the values you like for each, usually try to keep it a good curve but some drivers (ie the ones in your speakers or headphones) have spikes in certain frequencies, my basic 8" sub for example is rich in ~125Hz so I have that quite low.

rest of it in basic explanation;
1 - virtually nothing nowadays uses 7.1, it was a bit of a failed design, all your DVDs, bluray, etc only use 5.1
2 - retired and replaced with the software EQ that has existed for a decade, no point having extra hardware filtering for a couple of frequencies.
3 - that's what SBX surround does, think I liked the X-Fi version more but this ones quite refined...
4 - EAX was retired completely as since vista no games really use that kind of thing, and nowadays we have things like AMD's TrueAudio tech.
5 - replaced by the new panel, at least the new one is clean and almost never crashes or does otherwise stupid things, the ASIO support can allow custom audio mixing but I don't know of any designed for the soundcore yet, usually this API is used for things like your yamaha mixers that have 16channels in and out...
   
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Wow, I just received my ZXR today and completely agree with people who say it's terrible.

I'm using CS 1.6 for testing because CSGO sound is awful. I've been playing 1.6 for 8+ years with an xfi extreme gamer, AD700's, Alchemy, 5.1 on windows, and headphones on SB control panel. I also turn the bass on windows to minimum and raise the treble a bit.

I tried the ZXR at first with the same settings and "surround" checked under "SBX pro studio" tab and the sound was terrible. I have bass on 0%, Crossover Frequency on 700. Unchecking "Bass" is terrible (ridiculously strong bass). Smart Volume and Dialog Plus are unchecked. Scout mode off, EQ off.

I tried setting windows to stereo instead of 5.1 but didn't see a difference. I unchecked "surround" and it sounded a bit better. I was about to uninstall and remove the card and figured I'd try without alchemy and with "surround" checked.

I guess Alchemy is no longer needed with this card because without alchemy it sounds a lot better. But still this is definitely a downgrade from the now $50 extreme gamer card.

Sound is more muffled rather than crisp (even with crystallizer on), distance is not as obvious, and front vs behind is even worse.

With "SBX Pro Studio" power button deactivated, and with or without Alchemy, the sound is still bad. The bass is also so strong under this setting that it hurts my ears even when my volume is so low that I can only just hear other ingame sounds.

I also tried moving the "Surround" slider back and forth, but anything other than default just sounds strange.
The mic on the ACM can be set to not pickup loud noise (in mumble with voice activity – amplitude) from a keyboard (cherry brown) that is right next to it, but everyone tells me the quality is horrible. I have "noise reduction" checked because otherwise there is a loud static sound. "Acoustic echo cancelation", "FX", and "Smart Volume" are unchecked. "Focus" is set to minimum.


Had the same issues with the mic in the acm, fiddle with the settings, what is acceptable differs widely for whatever reason. The only settings i can get any clarity at all ( and will still pick up noise) are these in this screen shot. Try them all in the test, it took me a while for it to become even relatively useable.

http://gyazo.com/bc597e1a5c1505ba15a7559d8c10c334
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Hello everybody. Coming from a Xonar DX, this Sound Blaster Z is better, at least for now it seems. I own a G51 5.1 Surround System, the bass is really better compared to the Xonar DX at default. Anyway, just a question for now: any recommendation to get the best from the card? Someone else owns a Logitech G51 system?

Thank you for now smile.gif
Edited by blak24 - 2/28/14 at 1:31pm
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you'll need to learn how to use an EQ, as the classic treblenbass controls virtually don't exist in most hardware nowadays, but an EQ is exactly the same as those, you just get a large spectrum to play with instead of only high and low.

just play music and whatnot and play with the sliders, you should find the values you like for each, usually try to keep it a good curve but some drivers (ie the ones in your speakers or headphones) have spikes in certain frequencies, my basic 8" sub for example is rich in ~125Hz so I have that quite low.

rest of it in basic explanation;
1 - virtually nothing nowadays uses 7.1, it was a bit of a failed design, all your DVDs, bluray, etc only use 5.1
2 - retired and replaced with the software EQ that has existed for a decade, no point having extra hardware filtering for a couple of frequencies.
3 - that's what SBX surround does, think I liked the X-Fi version more but this ones quite refined...
4 - EAX was retired completely as since vista no games really use that kind of thing, and nowadays we have things like AMD's TrueAudio tech.
5 - replaced by the new panel, at least the new one is clean and almost never crashes or does otherwise stupid things, the ASIO support can allow custom audio mixing but I don't know of any designed for the soundcore yet, usually this API is used for things like your yamaha mixers that have 16channels in and out...

I've been playing around with EQ and other LFE settings to get as near as possible and finally found a combination that works well. The problem is I usually watch movies after midnight and my family don't like too much bass at that late time lol
I can't get the card to X-Fi level because it is much more powerfull.

I've made some profiles for music, movies, gaming and late night and they are working fine

As for the rest:

1-Actually many new movies on Blu-ray are 7.1

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/content/movie/release/dolby-surround-7-1-movies.html

http://hometheaterlounge.com/vBulletin/showthread.php/23931-February-2014-Blu-Ray-Releases-to-take-note-of

2-Fair enough although I am a guy who doesn't like change lol

3-Same

4-I didn't mean EAX engine in games, I meant adjustable effects. My Roccat Kave are true 5.1 channel headphones and setting EAX effect a little bit makes it sound way better. Without it, headphones front and rear channels are not distinguishable but with Enabling EAX, selecting "None" and setting effect amount to -7.0db improves front/rear perception dramatically.

5-Agreed

One last problem I found. Is it only me or the Mixer's Speaker balance is all messed up ? I mean no channel controls the same one except R/L. C/SUB RR/RL are messed up
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So thinking of getting the ZxR to replace my STX (dont ask mad.gif lol) but I got a few questions first smile.gif

1. Does anyone notice any interference from other stuff in there case?

2. Hows the software, does it bug out, crash and is there regular updates etc?

3. Can the ZxR really run up tp 600 ohm headphones like say the HD800 without a problem? devil.gif

4. Seeing it has a dedicated sound core, does it take all the stress off the CPU?

5. Last but not least, hows the surround sound, sound through higher end headphones like the AD-700, HD600/650 and or HD800s?

Thanks wheee.gif

Sorry if these have been asked before redface.gif

Edit, Also can you just buy the ZxR main card by its self without the extra crap, daughter board and stupid control thing?
Edited by Aussiejuggalo - 3/1/14 at 5:34pm
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oh right, a fair few bluray movies supply 7.1 nowadays, however that's limited specifically to HDMI, so if you wanted said channels in movies you'll just have to use a bluray player...

auzentech's flagship card used HDMI passthrough to inject dolby TrueHD for use on compatible receivers, but as of lately they seem to have gone out of business and I doubt we would see a similar card based on soundcore...
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/auzentech-x-fi-home-theater-hd-7-1-soundcard-review,1.html
   
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Intel Atom 230 some all-in-one Mini-ITX board Intel GMA 950 some 1GB stick 
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Seagate 320GB LightScribe DVD burner? passive stock Oracle Linux 
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integrated in the motherboard, 65W power brick compaque stock Mini-ITX case 
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5. Last but not least, hows the surround sound, sound through higher end headphones like the AD-700, HD600/650 and or HD800s?
Check my posts at the top of the page (using 50 posts per page).

IMO this card is a downgrade from a $50 xfi xtremegamer.

I've used the xtremegamer + AD700's for many years and I'd suggest you try the Titanium HD instead. I've heard only good things about it and it'll be the next card I try.

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Edit, Also can you just buy the ZxR main card by its self without the extra crap, daughter board and stupid control thing?

No, you can't.
    
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