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Originally Posted by NotAgain View Post

Upmix in your media player, don't do it in the drivers.
If you upmix in your media player you have control over what actually happens.

I don't think that's a very good solution considering that this is a very expensive card, and that not every application is going to allow upmixing (videogames are the first example that come to mind). Sorry if you're trying to be helpful but that doesn't exactly strike me as reasonable.

Having said that, do you have any recommendations for upmixing in Winamp?
post #3212 of 5496
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Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

Surround upmixing goes through every speaker you have enabled. Not two. I linked this earlier, apparently you ignored it;
http://www.overclock.net/t/1337761/official-creative-sound-blaster-z-zx-zxr-series-club/3150#post_23363799

Cheers, I think I must have forgotten. Another guy posted and wasn't exactly very helpful; couldn't explain how exactly it worked and never replied.

I don't have surround sound currently which is why I think I might have ignored your post/forgotten. Thanks for taking the time to upload the audio, can you speculate on how exactly this is done or only the method?

At this point I don't think I'll be buying the card, but your settings to get to that would be be good nonetheless.

I worried that the upmixing was merely sending 2.0 virtual surround to all 5 speakers, and thus was going to wreak havoc with your head. I can't listen to that audio right now obviously because of lack of 5.1, I assume what you're hearing is correct (fronts at front, rear and centre independantly matrixed from this etc).
post #3213 of 5496
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Originally Posted by tw34ker View Post

I worried that the upmixing was merely sending 2.0 virtual surround to all 5 speakers, and thus was going to wreak havoc with your head. I can't listen to that audio right now obviously because of lack of 5.1, I assume what you're hearing is correct (fronts at front, rear and centre independantly matrixed from this etc).
SBX Surround works differently depending on the mode you have the card in. (headphones/speakers)

I would assume that it does 2.0 > 5.1 upmixing when you are set to 5.1 but I can't test that here.
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Originally Posted by tw34ker View Post

I don't think that's a very good solution considering that this is a very expensive card, and that not every application is going to allow upmixing (videogames are the first example that come to mind). Sorry if you're trying to be helpful but that doesn't exactly strike me as reasonable.
Can't you just use SBX Surround then?
post #3214 of 5496
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Originally Posted by NotAgain View Post

Can't you just use SBX Surround then?

I could but he was implying I use my media player
post #3215 of 5496
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Originally Posted by tw34ker View Post

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Originally Posted by KyadCK View Post

Surround upmixing goes through every speaker you have enabled. Not two. I linked this earlier, apparently you ignored it;
http://www.overclock.net/t/1337761/official-creative-sound-blaster-z-zx-zxr-series-club/3150#post_23363799

Cheers, I think I must have forgotten. Another guy posted and wasn't exactly very helpful; couldn't explain how exactly it worked and never replied.

I don't have surround sound currently which is why I think I might have ignored your post/forgotten. Thanks for taking the time to upload the audio, can you speculate on how exactly this is done or only the method?

At this point I don't think I'll be buying the card, but your settings to get to that would be be good nonetheless.

I worried that the upmixing was merely sending 2.0 virtual surround to all 5 speakers, and thus was going to wreak havoc with your head. I can't listen to that audio right now obviously because of lack of 5.1, I assume what you're hearing is correct (fronts at front, rear and centre independantly matrixed from this etc).

Stereo sound is played normally. Sound that would be played out both are played on center. Sound that would be played out one are repeated on the back. Sub is a sub.

Vocals will almost always come out center. In the song I used, (Dude looks like a lady), the jackhammer that normally transitions from left to right transitions through the center first.

This is just from observation. I have no idea how any of these solutions work.

It isn't a perfect solution by any means, but it does work. If your Source audio is Mono, expect it to come out the center/sub only is you have the center enabled.
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Originally Posted by tw34ker View Post

I worried that the upmixing was merely sending 2.0 virtual surround to all 5 speakers, and thus was going to wreak havoc with your head. I can't listen to that audio right now obviously because of lack of 5.1, I assume what you're hearing is correct (fronts at front, rear and centre independantly matrixed from this etc).
SBX Surround works differently depending on the mode you have the card in. (headphones/speakers)

I would assume that it does 2.0 > 5.1 upmixing when you are set to 5.1 but I can't test that here.
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Originally Posted by tw34ker View Post

I don't think that's a very good solution considering that this is a very expensive card, and that not every application is going to allow upmixing (videogames are the first example that come to mind). Sorry if you're trying to be helpful but that doesn't exactly strike me as reasonable.
Can't you just use SBX Surround then?

It does 2.0 -> 5.1 in speaker mode... If you have all 6 speakers enabled in SBX. If you only have F L/R and Center enabled then it will only expand to 3.0. You can also choose how far it expands, up to "virtual 7.1" by moving the Surround slider up and down.

In headphone mode it will do 2.0 to whatever Surround is set to, then apply small modifiers to the expanded audio before it downmixes back to 2.0 to make it sound as if it's around you.
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post #3216 of 5496
Okay so I had some time today to monkey around with this card and speakers. I've only ran it with headphones the last number of months. I hooked up my Logitech 5300's as a 2.1 didn't feel like using the rears or center. So I noticed a few things, I prefer how my speakers sound in 5.1 mode with center and rear unchecked, but with Full range front L/R enabled over 2.0/2.1. Anyone else notice this?

(Under speakers properties)
What are you guys finding to be the best default format, I have it set to 16bit 48000hz (DVD Quality) because of something I read off of here. Do you guys find it better at something else and do you use exclusive mode?

(Equalizer/Profiles?)
lastly I have one heck of a time finding the right balance with SBX settings, I have left surround and crystalizer both on at 20% turned everything else off. I don't use the equalizer either. I tried the profiles that come with the software I don't like them either. Has anyone put together an all around awesome profile people are using?
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post #3217 of 5496
Just installed my Z last night, the options seem to be toned down quite a bit compared to my Creative X-fi. Are there any specific "hidden" settings that I need to adjust while using headphones? I just changed a few settings in SBX pro studio tab.

To bad I couldn't do a direct 1:1 comparison between the cards but I don't think its much of an upgrade, both sound good. I just needed to change to pci-e card and was hoping for newer/better drivers (lol) that might support up til Win 10 at least.
post #3218 of 5496
Hey guys, What would be good equalizer settings to get more bass punch out of my headphones in general? Im all about the punchy kicks
post #3219 of 5496
use the inbuilt one and jam those bass hertz up to "mr apple beats by dr bass with moar bass for bass"

If thats not enough, consider a sledgehammer and an angry dog growling 24/7
post #3220 of 5496
Setting 16 bit, 4800 Hz in the advanced windows sound panel, the popping went away. Take it one step further and reinstall the SBZ version 16 (the oldest?) driver then you can use 16 bit or 24 bit if wish with no popping.
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