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post #3811 of 5642
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Originally Posted by Wolfseye View Post

For a long time I was a Creative user and fan. Now I had to move away from them, although I didnt want to. I already had problems with the ZxR since the first day I had it, sometimes it would work for months and months at a time, then it would not. You have heard or even witnessed yourself many of the issues probably by now, that the Z series has. I exchanged the ZxR 4x in a time of 2 years. Always returned it back to Amazon (DE), in the hopes that my Card maybe was just a faulty production Model but it wasnt, not in the long run. Last time it worked fine for 4 months in a row, and then recently i changed my mainboard (always use Asus), and there it was, same issue. This time even worse. No matter what I did, the Soundcard was not recognized by the System, at all. I tried everything from switching PCIe slots, following supposedly instructions to Clear CMOS, update Bios (even if it already was with the latest Version) and so on, nothing worked. In the end i gave up, and it was a sad day. Because I knew there werent much alternatives I wanted.

I was never really the fan of the Asus Xonar sound, I preferred the more bass kinda power sound from the Creative and especially the ZxR. So I went back for a while to onboard (which was intolerable). I admit, Onboard sound got a lot better over the years, but it just wasnt good enough for me. I didnt like it. And what I missed most, and what made it so hard to switch to some other card, is that control box. Especially for how my PC and stuff is setup in my room, I needed something with a control box of sorts again. Someplace where I can plugin my Headset, while still keeping my 5.1 Speaker Setup in the Soundcard. A while ago I read about the 3 new Asus Soundcards being announced. So I waited, in the hope that these could deliver me some equal as good experience. Yesterday I got my Asus Strix Raid DLX.

Is it all I could have hoped for, no. Is it better than Onboard, definately. But there are a few things that are weird, so I might have to get used to those. But I really wished I could have continued with the ZxR.

Cheers

Wolfseye

Hey, is this the best in the series ? I can't tell which one of them is the best, I mean not by price. it there different in quality and the chipset or just some more options ? more important I had the same issues like you and I really want to move to the Asus card , but the most important is what Headphone surround does it give ? better than Creative SBX? what are the options of the surround, can you do 7.1 ?

Where did you buy it ? I can't find it anywhere rolleyes.gif
Edited by x7007 - 10/26/15 at 12:27am
post #3812 of 5642
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Originally Posted by Wolfseye View Post

For a long time I was a Creative user and fan. Now I had to move away from them, although I didnt want to. I already had problems with the ZxR since the first day I had it, sometimes it would work for months and months at a time, then it would not. You have heard or even witnessed yourself many of the issues probably by now, that the Z series has. I exchanged the ZxR 4x in a time of 2 years. Always returned it back to Amazon (DE), in the hopes that my Card maybe was just a faulty production Model but it wasnt, not in the long run. Last time it worked fine for 4 months in a row, and then recently i changed my mainboard (always use Asus), and there it was, same issue. This time even worse. No matter what I did, the Soundcard was not recognized by the System, at all. I tried everything from switching PCIe slots, following supposedly instructions to Clear CMOS, update Bios (even if it already was with the latest Version) and so on, nothing worked. In the end i gave up, and it was a sad day. Because I knew there werent much alternatives I wanted.

I was never really the fan of the Asus Xonar sound, I preferred the more bass kinda power sound from the Creative and especially the ZxR. So I went back for a while to onboard (which was intolerable). I admit, Onboard sound got a lot better over the years, but it just wasnt good enough for me. I didnt like it. And what I missed most, and what made it so hard to switch to some other card, is that control box. Especially for how my PC and stuff is setup in my room, I needed something with a control box of sorts again. Someplace where I can plugin my Headset, while still keeping my 5.1 Speaker Setup in the Soundcard. A while ago I read about the 3 new Asus Soundcards being announced. So I waited, in the hope that these could deliver me some equal as good experience. Yesterday I got my Asus Strix Raid DLX.

Is it all I could have hoped for, no. Is it better than Onboard, definately. But there are a few things that are weird, so I might have to get used to those. But I really wished I could have continued with the ZxR.

Cheers

Wolfseye

We mostly hear about problems like this for a product that makes it appear that the product is junk. Probably, most of the time it works well and there are just a few people with problems. Those who don't have problems generally don't speak up. I personally am using the ZXR and have been for just under 2 years now. I have to say that it has worked flawlessly for me during that time. It does what I want with the exception that it doesn't have 7.1 output. I recently started converting my cassette tapes from the late '70s and early '80s. I have been having a problem and thought for a while it was the ZXR or its drivers. Turns out, not. However, during my testing I compared digitizing the input to the ZXR with the input to the motherboard (ASUS Maximus V Extreme, uses ALC 898 chip). When the source is fed into the motherboard I see at least a 6dB increase in noise. Sorry to hear that your problems have been so extreme and hope your next card does better.
post #3813 of 5642
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Originally Posted by x7007 View Post

Hey, is this the best in the series ? I can't tell which one of them is the best, I mean not by price. it there different in quality and the chipset or just some more options ? more important I had the same issues like you and I really want to move to the Asus card , but the most important is what Headphone surround does it give ? better than Creative SBX? what are the options of the surround, can you do 7.1 ?

Where did you buy it ? I can't find it anywhere rolleyes.gif

Thats weird indeed. Now that the Asus card shows up in Europe, i have yet to see it on Amazon.com or Newegg for the American side for example. Could it be that it was released in Europe first? Usually we grt things later, and they first come out in the US. As for surround, the Sound doesn't have official Dolby. The Soundcard itself has 7.1, I only have 5.1 Surround Speakers so i use 5.1. But it can do 7.1. My headphones (Stereo) are plugged into the Control Box that comes with this Model. With that you can enable virtual surround. It actually sounds really good in Games like that. Does it sound better than Creative ZxR? Well, I think with all Sound things thats a matter of personal preference. I however like it. For me, as I said, it was important that the Soundcard i get after the issues with the ZxR, has also a external Control box. There is not much other choice then. From what I heard of the Asus Phoebus, which also had a kinda external thing with it, but wasn't really too good. And the Phoebus is kinda old. Since i couldn't continue with the ZxR, i might as well go in to the Future.

So again, does the Asus Strix Raid DLX sound better than the Creative ZxR, no. But its also not worse, it just sounds a bit better. I think its a viable alternative and I don't regret going with that.

As for @FireDragons post, the Internet is full of people having those kinda issues with the Creative Z Series, its not just a few people. I have been going through these issues since the day I first got this Card. And I am tired of these issues, and to be honest, of Creative for letting it come to that. Now they go for, and from what i hear (unofficially, but not posted publicly) that Creative is not building anymore internal Soundcards in the future but only external USB stuff. That alone keeps me away from them, because I prefer internal Cards for Sound.

I guess everyone has a different opinion, but those thst fought with the same or similar issues than I had, are not so happy with Creative anymore than before. Maybe its really time to forget Creative.

Cheers

Wolfseye
post #3814 of 5642
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Originally Posted by Wolfseye View Post

Thats weird indeed. Now that the Asus card shows up in Europe, i have yet to see it on Amazon.com or Newegg for the American side for example. Could it be that it was released in Europe first? Usually we grt things later, and they first come out in the US. As for surround, the Sound doesn't have official Dolby. The Soundcard itself has 7.1, I only have 5.1 Surround Speakers so i use 5.1. But it can do 7.1. My headphones (Stereo) are plugged into the Control Box that comes with this Model. With that you can enable virtual surround. It actually sounds really good in Games like that. Does it sound better than Creative ZxR? Well, I think with all Sound things thats a matter of personal preference. I however like it. For me, as I said, it was important that the Soundcard i get after the issues with the ZxR, has also a external Control box. There is not much other choice then. From what I heard of the Asus Phoebus, which also had a kinda external thing with it, but wasn't really too good. And the Phoebus is kinda old. Since i couldn't continue with the ZxR, i might as well go in to the Future.

So again, does the Asus Strix Raid DLX sound better than the Creative ZxR, no. But its also not worse, it just sounds a bit better. I think its a viable alternative and I don't regret going with that.

As for @FireDragons post, the Internet is full of people having those kinda issues with the Creative Z Series, its not just a few people. I have been going through these issues since the day I first got this Card. And I am tired of these issues, and to be honest, of Creative for letting it come to that. Now they go for, and from what i hear (unofficially, but not posted publicly) that Creative is not building anymore internal Soundcards in the future but only external USB stuff. That alone keeps me away from them, because I prefer internal Cards for Sound.

I guess everyone has a different opinion, but those thst fought with the same or similar issues than I had, are not so happy with Creative anymore than before. Maybe its really time to forget Creative.

Cheers

Wolfseye

how is the mic ?
post #3815 of 5642
Ok, I just tested in Teamspeak. As long as you keep the Option "PERFECT VOICE" off, it seems then I sound good as before.

http://i.imgur.com/7chZpcM.png

When I had that on, my friend told me I would sound a bit canned. But without that, he said, I sound like before with my Creative ZxR. So I'd say the Microphone is good as well. I dont regret getting the Asus now.

Sorry for advertising that soundcard here so, wasnt my intent.

Cheers

Wolfseye
post #3816 of 5642
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Originally Posted by Wolfseye View Post

Ok, I just tested in Teamspeak. As long as you keep the Option "PERFECT VOICE" off, it seems then I sound good as before.

http://i.imgur.com/7chZpcM.png

When I had that on, my friend told me I would sound a bit canned. But without that, he said, I sound like before with my Creative ZxR. So I'd say the Microphone is good as well. I dont regret getting the Asus now.

Sorry for advertising that soundcard here so, wasnt my intent.

Cheers

Wolfseye

It's ok, I think half of the people want to move from creative. What I want from asus is the 7.1 Headphone surround if exist. and what surround do they use if not the crappy dolby surround.

Can you show the settings for the headphone surround and all the settings you can choose for the most headphone surround importance ?

If you can open a new thread about the card and write there, because it's not officially out then only you have this.

When you enable virtual surround it gives you selection of 7.1 or 5.1 virtual speakers ? Disable the Bass Boost if you are using Studio headphones, this bass quality is always crap.
post #3817 of 5642
post #3818 of 5642
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Originally Posted by Wolfseye View Post

As for @FireDragons post, the Internet is full of people having those kinda issues with the Creative Z Series, its not just a few people. I have been going through these issues since the day I first got this Card. And I am tired of these issues, and to be honest, of Creative for letting it come to that. Now they go for, and from what i hear (unofficially, but not posted publicly) that Creative is not building anymore internal Soundcards in the future but only external USB stuff. That alone keeps me away from them, because I prefer internal Cards for Sound.

I guess everyone has a different opinion, but those thst fought with the same or similar issues than I had, are not so happy with Creative anymore than before. Maybe its really time to forget Creative.

Cheers

Wolfseye

I was not attempting to denigrate your problems in any way. Perhaps I am just lucky, or I don't happen to use whatever features trigger the problem (I have no interest in SPID, for example). Those of us who are in the habit of customizing hardware have encountered all sorts of issues that are extremely annoying, and sometimes just can't be solved. It is quite possible that the problem lies in some sort of interaction in either hardware or software. I have seen ZxR problems solved in both ways, including in some cases in just setting the ZxR options. It could be the card is extremely sensitive to external conditions - power supply, motherboard, other installed drivers, etc.. In looking around, I see quite a few people with ZxR issues, but many more that appear to be satisfied. I was just saying that people with problems tend to be very vocal and to dominate forums. Those without problems tend to be the silent majority. Not much interest in "no news and no problems". I wanted to be the occasional exception to the silent majority by speaking up.

From what I can find, none of the other soundcards are quite up to the ZxR's level yet, although some are close. Some appear to match SNR for output (e.g., ASUS cards) but none appear to match the SNR for input.

I don't know about Creative dropping internal soundcards. They are still selling the ZxR on their site as their "best" card. It is still available from quite a few vendors. It also appears to be their only product in that category, so I would think that it is unlikely that they are discontinuing it. I also see that none of 2015 "best" sound card reviews appear to include the ZxR - which is interesting because none of the "best" cards selected can touch the ZxR's specifications. Perhaps the reviewers know something we do not, or perhaps the ZxR is just being ignored because it isn't a "new" card.

In any case, good luck as I said before, and I hope your new card does well.
post #3819 of 5642
Hi Wolfseye. Interesting thread you have put up here. I purchased my ZXR from DABS in February 2013 and it has worked brilliantly. I have never had any problems. Sadly, the item comes with a two years warranty, so it expired in February 2015 (8 months ago!). However, I am still using my ZXR and it is still working brilliantly (I just prefer to have that warranty for peace of mind, since I have made such a costly investment!). I recently saw the Asus STRIX (Soar, Raid and Deluxe) on overclockers. I spoke to overclockers about it and they said it comes with a 3 years warranty. However, they have no idea what the sound quality is like. So I have a few questions for you -

1) What is the difference between these three STRIX audio cards?. Is there any real difference in the quality of sound between the cheapest model (Soar for £63) and the Deluxe (£150)?.

2) What is the sound quality like of your STRIX Deluxe compared to your Creative ZXR?. I know you said it is different but HOW is it different?. I just want an audio card that produces the best sound quality. So what would you recommend in terms of better sound quality?.

3) Is the UI interface stable, good quality, comprehensive and easy to use?.

I would really appreciate your advice.

Thanks man!.
Edited by canopus72 - 10/30/15 at 5:00am
post #3820 of 5642
Hi Canopus, to be honest I cant tell you more about the difference of the 3 Strix models than I know. And I only know / have the one, the DLX. Cant say about the other Models. What I do know is that the DLX has the best SNR, same like the ZxR if I am correct.

Comparing sound, I dont think you can really. Everyone likes different sound. Me, coming from the ZxR and never been a big fan of the XONAR sound because I love the sometimes overpowered bass of the Creative ^^^ , yes I do, so what ? smile.gif

It sure sounds different than the ZxR, a bit more natural I think. Creative makes things a bit "hyper" if you know what I mean. I never had an Asus Xonar before. I only know that a lot of people love those, especially the STX Models, because of their Sound being more natural than Creatives Z series. What made me decide for the new Asus, after I had so many issues and was simply annoyed by the buggyness of the ZxR (and by that I dont mean the sound), was the fact that I wanted a Soundcard again with a Control Box that I could put on my desk, just like I had with the ZxR. Its not that you get a lot of choice in Cards when you want something like that.

The Strix series is definately made for Gaming, but also sounds good with Music or Movie. It doesnt have real Dolby Surround, but its "own" Surround which is fine for me to be honest. The Software is something I really like. All in more less one window, all overlookable. Never liked previous Sound softwares of any branch because of the too many tabs and different sections you had to open individually. The new UI for the Strix cards looks simple, but elegant, and of course it works rather well. But, its the first Version of its Software, and I am sure things will get even better.

And the UI is very easy to use. What you see is what you get. If you dont care for Gaming and dont need a Control Box, you might as well get a Xonar Essence STX. If you need Surround like 5.1 etc you maybe should get the Essence II which I think has that additional card to allow for that use. I use a 5.1 Box setup so I needed that. The surround on the Strix DLX sounds good enough for me, and with "Virtual Surround" on the Headphone it also sounds very nice.

I can recommend the new Asus, but it always depends what you need it for. If gaming is a thing for you, get that one. If not, well as I said, maybe the other better Xonar Models. Sound is a matter of taste, so I cant generalize what is or is not, I can only tell you what I think. You might think different about it.

I am glad I can order things here and have 14 days at least in which I can return things I buy online, without any reason. Helps deciding. But again, the new Strix line is good from what I experienced myself so far.

Hope that helps you.

Cheers

Wolfseye

P.S: If you decide to get one, I hope to meet you in the responding topic of that card as a owner. wink.gif
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