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Hey guys.
After hours of research and reading I've come to the my temporary conclusion of what I was planning on purchasing.
I want to point out that I'm "future proofing" for a CPU/GPU loop with overclocking (duh).

Was thinking of the EK Supremacy Nickel for the waterblock, I like the looks and it performs average/good in it's price range.
I know the Phobya UC-1 and Alphacool Nexxxos XP3 perform slightly better overall, but I've read that they have had some issues (especially quality issues with the Phobya), not sure but I'm not taking any chances plus the looks are very nice.
However, is the extra 5€ really worth the Nickel edition over the basic one? What's the performance difference anyway?

For the pump, I'm a little confused...
I calculated that I need 4psi pressure at 1GPM, so I have a few options here.
1) Laing D5 (MPC655 at constant max speed setting 5)
2) Laing DDC-1T (non-plus) /w top like XSPC/EK (MPC 350)
3) Laing DDC 3.25 (Don't know what swiftech rebrand)
4) Laing DDC 3.2TP (MPC 35X with stock top, it has PWM so that's nice)
5) Laing DDC-1T Plus (MPC 355)

What do you guys think is the best pump for CPU/GPU, considering longevity as I want to use the pump for as long as possible (so maybe the PWM is a good option)? Are these really overkill for CPU/GPU?
Also I'm not sure about the DDC-1T Plus because I can't find any performance figures, especially with a top.
There's also the option of the Ek DCP 4.0 (Rebranded Jingway 1200), but there's only very little information on that one here and here so I'm not really sure unless you guys can help me.

Last but definitely not least, radiator...
I was thinking 360, EK or XSPC (probably EK), but honestly I have no idea if that is enough or just overkill for CPU/GPU?
Having silence in mind, I guess gentle typhoons are the way to go?
Edited by naikee - 12/14/12 at 5:43am
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Hey guys.
After hours of research and reading I've come to the my temporary conclusion of what I was planning on purchasing.
I want to point out that I'm "future proofing" for a CPU/GPU loop with overclocking (duh).
Was thinking of the EK Supremacy Nickel for the waterblock, I like the looks and it performs average/good in it's price range.
I know the Phobya UC-1 and Alphacool Nexxxos XP3 perform slightly better overall, but I've read that they have had some issues (especially quality issues with the Phobya), not sure but I'm not taking any chances plus the looks are very nice.
However, is the extra 5€ really worth the Nickel edition over the basic one? What's the performance difference anyway?
For the pump, I'm a little confused...
I calculated that I need 4psi pressure at 1GPM, so I have a few options here.
1) Laing D5 (MPC655 at constant max speed setting 5)
2) Laing DDC-1T (non-plus) /w top like XSPC/EK (MPC 350)
3) Laing DDC 3.25 (Don't know what swiftech rebrand)
4) Laing DDC 3.2TP (MPC 35X with stock top, it has PWM so that's nice)
5) Laing DDC-1T Plus (MPC 355)
What do you guys think is the best pump for CPU/GPU, considering longevity as I want to use the pump for as long as possible (so maybe the PWM is a good option)? Are these really overkill for CPU/GPU?
Also I'm not sure about the DDC-1T Plus because I can't find any performance figures, especially with a top.
There's also the option of the Ek DCP 4.0 (Rebranded Jingway 1200), but there's only very little information on that one here and here so I'm not really sure unless you guys can help me.
Last but definitely not least, radiator...
I was thinking 360, EK or XSPC (probably EK), but honestly I have no idea if that is enough or just overkill for CPU/GPU?
Having silence in mind, I guess gentle typhoons are the way to go?
first of all, im pretty sure the extra 5€ is worth it for the nickel version , as far as I know the Nickel can transfer heat better and less issue with gunk,etc

for the pump, I would choose the best from the option which are the D5 + a proper well build top for it . Since you are looking for the longevity of the pump D5 is great since it operates pretty cool. My dual ddc 355 pump requires and fan blowing from the side so that it would run cool. To give you some idea the heat while the pump is operating really effect the longevity of the pump. There is no such thing as overkill in choosing pump from my pov if you can afford the best.
However the reason I went ddc355 is because they have extra head pressure than d5 for my dual GPU + CPU + 360 rad + 240 rad and planning to cool my vram on motherboard in the future

for the radiator , my personal requirement are 240rad for CPU only, 360 for a single GPU + CPU; and maybe 360+240 for SLI GPU +CPU
however the choice are different from user to user . Some people would think that 240 is enough to cool a single GPU + CPU; yes it will be enough! but you have to run a proper fans at max RPM ie 1850rpm schyte fans to get the most out of the radiator. I would trade that for a bigger rad and slower fans to get the same desired temp and lower fans noises (since I'm a silent freak wink.gif)

all in all get a bigger rad + lower you fans speed for silent and get desired temp
or
smaller rad and have the fans run at max all the time

beside get the most out of your case if budget is not the problem smile.gif fill out all the rad room in you case and it would look awesome!
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EK Supremacy is a decent block, nickel version will not perform any better than standard copper one, nickel plating is just for the look.
Any of the pumps you mentioned would be good for your setup, but to make your loop a bit more future proof I would go with D5 or DDC 1T Plus with custom tops.
GT's are a very decent fans, but I personally prefer SP120s, I am actually in the progress of changing all the GTs to SP120...
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btw avoid ek dpc 4.0, I've used it in the past, its just too vibrating, low pressure and noisy IMO
forgot to answer you other question as well, i am using gt-15 typhoon, and im such a silent freak, its still too noisy!
have to use a fan controller and turn it down at half when im browsing ; but when gaming I turn it right up
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post #6 of 34
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first of all, im pretty sure the extra 5€ is worth it for the nickel version , as far as I know the Nickel can transfer heat better and less issue with gunk,etc
Since when?
Thermal conductivity of Nickel is just 90 W/(m K)
when pure copper transfers up to: 386 W/(m K)...

Edit: Only silver is better for that purpose, but I cannot imagine how expensive would be a water block made of pure silver... wink.gif
Edited by chrisf4lc0n - 12/14/12 at 6:11am
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I've got it mix up there with the nickel and the cooper
what im trying to say is the nickel plated block would be the preferred one if you have any aluminum in the loop like a koolance radiator, the nickel prevents the copper from coming into contact with the aluminum trough the coolant, which would cause galvanic corrosion.
The nickel also prevents discoloration of the copper. It helps for looks and appearance (main reason smile.gif )

IMHO Nickel is far better. For those that say nickel add a layer, you should see what a copper block looks like without proper maintenance. Corrosion is also a layer and that's ultimately what you will get.
manufacturer would make a product more expensive for reasons, and I believe it would be beneficial for their customer
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Thanks for your suggestions guys.

Initially I was thinking of staying under 200€, but some of the water cooling accessories have absurd prices I didn't anticipate.
Like, the pump and block I can live with and understand somewhat, but bow can a plexi box cost 40€ up to absurd prices like 160€, I just wasn't expecting that to be honest.
Even the swiftech micro something is 25€ and cmon, that costs like 30cents to manufacture lol.



I guess I can live without a nice reservoir in my 5.25" bays.
So, I guess a 360rad is my best option, for these I can choose between these:
1) Black Ice GT Stealth 360
2) EK CoolStream XT 360
3) XSPC EX360
(in order of price 49-65€)
I want a silent system remember.

Then we add 82€ for the pump and 65€ for the block, 24€ barbs (I need at least 6), 8€ for 2m tubing (or do I need more) and I'm probably forgetting something.
Yeah 30€ for the fans, 10€ for some random stuff like pt clean or whatever that stuff is called, and finally around 20-25€ for shipping. (That's with the EK rad and EK block)

That's 325€ roughly, with that budget, I could get the XSPC EX360 Raystorm kit, which comes with a damn nice reservoir but drawback is the fans and tubing for sure. (The block should be pretty decent).
Either way I'm over 300€ and I can forget about getting my mechanical keyboard :d if I want to go with this.

Of course I could go with a 240 rad..
But the rad is not really the issue here, it's only 10€ cheaper.
What do you guys think is better, the kit or the "custom" thing, they both come with the same pump and the kit has a pretty nice reservoir which is 70€ if you buy it alone.
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I've got it mix up there with the nickel and the cooper
what im trying to say is the nickel plated block would be the preferred one if you have any aluminum in the loop like a koolance radiator, the nickel prevents the copper from coming into contact with the aluminum trough the coolant, which would cause galvanic corrosion.
The nickel also prevents discoloration of the copper. It helps for looks and appearance (main reason smile.gif )

IMHO Nickel is far better. For those that say nickel add a layer, you should see what a copper block looks like without proper maintenance. Corrosion is also a layer and that's ultimately what you will get.
manufacturer would make a product more expensive for reasons, and I believe it would be beneficial for their customer
Look, is the only reason why they use nickel. Galvanic index difference between aluminium and nickel is not that much smaller than between the copper and aluminium to prevent the corrosion on its own, inhibitors are still needed. On top of that if the nickel plating incorrectly applied onto the copper block can make as much damadge to your loop as corroding copper... The blocks are still made of copper only plated with nickel and manufacturers try to make the plating as thin as physically possible just not to reduce the copper abilities to transfer heat, sometimes they make it too thin, we all know the story with EK's nickel blocks.
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Thanks for your suggestions guys.
Initially I was thinking of staying under 200€, but some of the water cooling accessories have absurd prices I didn't anticipate.
Like, the pump and block I can live with and understand somewhat, but bow can a plexi box cost 40€ up to absurd prices like 160€, I just wasn't expecting that to be honest.
Even the swiftech micro something is 25€ and cmon, that costs like 30cents to manufacture lol.
I guess I can live without a nice reservoir in my 5.25" bays.
So, I guess a 360rad is my best option, for these I can choose between these:
1) Black Ice GT Stealth 360
2) EK CoolStream XT 360
3) XSPC EX360
(in order of price 49-65€)
I want a silent system remember.
Then we add 82€ for the pump and 65€ for the block, 24€ barbs (I need at least 6), 8€ for 2m tubing (or do I need more) and I'm probably forgetting something.
Yeah 30€ for the fans, 10€ for some random stuff like pt clean or whatever that stuff is called, and finally around 20-25€ for shipping. (That's with the EK rad and EK block)
That's 325€ roughly, with that budget, I could get the XSPC EX360 Raystorm kit, which comes with a damn nice reservoir but drawback is the fans and tubing for sure. (The block should be pretty decent).
Either way I'm over 300€ and I can forget about getting my mechanical keyboard :d if I want to go with this.
Of course I could go with a 240 rad..
But the rad is not really the issue here, it's only 10€ cheaper.
What do you guys think is better, the kit or the "custom" thing, they both come with the same pump and the kit has a pretty nice reservoir which is 70€ if you buy it alone.
I would personally go with the kit for first time looper smile.gif to make thing simple
once you'll get the hang of it , you can add some on the go while saving for it
but man, you cant miss out with mech keyboard, im having typegasm with my filco blue as im typing this
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