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They are overpriced if you live in Australia. Actually, ASRock had to drop price on Extreme6 from $180 to $160 because nobody would pay that much for a board that offered less than UD5H and P8Z77-V. Now more or less I can agree it is a good value if not MSI offering GD65 for the same.

Did you build anything on Z77X-UD/UP boards? Because 99% of users on this forums either have DOA, or defective units in the first place. Otherwise, boards just work.

Also it seems you have ASRock Z68 board, in which case you should know that ASRock dropped quality on their Z77 boards compared to P67/Z68 line up.
Edited by DeXel - 12/14/12 at 12:41am
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Originally Posted by un-nefer View Post

Awefully good of you to use the word "certain" to cover your ass.
The simple fact is that mobo's from Gigabyte and ASUS are over priced - you don't have to be a genius to see that or know that.
As for me being an uninformed expert - I base my decision to not like Gigabyte's entry UD/UP mobos on actual experience of building systems with them and having them fail more then systems built using AsRock mobos wink.gif
OP, it's your money, so buy what you think will give you the best value for your money - but don't be fooled by forum folk - go read the reviews and read the threads about the mobos, and then get the one you are comfortable with.
Yeah ASUS, GB & MSI are all established names, Asrocks are currently the underdogs & i am willing to support.
As for the MSI Z77A-GD55, that was the very first MOBO i chose for my build, but i immediately got told by many people on Whirlpool that Asrock is of much better value.

And what the video is trying to show is that Asrock doesn't control voltage properly?

Also i am willing to go up to $180 bucks for a mobo
Edited by james990 - 12/14/12 at 12:49am
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As for the MSI Z77A-GD55, that was the very first MOBO i chose for my build, but i immediately got told by many people on Whirlpool that Asrock is of much better value.

Let me get this straight. GD55 costs $132, and Extreme6 costs $165.

GD55 has 6 phase analog VRM when Extreme6 has 4 phase doubled analog VRM with weird voltage bug.

GD55 has worse audio codec and 2 less SATA 3 ports which are not Intel native anyway.

But GD55 costs less, so I say they both make equal compromises. GD65 for a bit more has strengths of both GD55 and Extreme6.
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And what the video is trying to show is that Asrock doesn't control voltage properly?

It overshoots voltage greatly although latest ASRock bioses claim to fix LLC. I wonder whether it fixes it.
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Originally Posted by DeXel View Post

Let me get this straight. GD55 costs $132, and Extreme6 costs $165.
GD55 has 6 phase analog VRM when Extreme6 has 4 phase doubled analog VRM with weird voltage bug.
GD55 has worse audio codec and 2 less SATA 3 ports which are not Intel native anyway.
But GD55 costs less, so I say they both make equal compromises. GD65 for a bit more has strengths of both GD55 and Extreme6.
It overshoots voltage greatly although latest ASRock bioses claim to fix LLC. I wonder whether it fixes it.

Yeah thanks for bringing these points up.

Whats VRM and whats so important about it?
Also, i'm pretty sure i will only end up using 3 SATA ports lol, so i honestly don't care for sata ports that much.
Well, i'm gonna head out tomorrow and finally order the parts. I have been looking at CPU parts for almost 3 weeks now -_-'

Edit...ok so somehow i managed to tripple post...?
Edited by james990 - 12/14/12 at 1:09am
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VRM is voltage regulator module. It is responsible for supplying power to your CPU. It consists of many compounds, mainly the PWM chip, drivers, mosfets, chocks, capacitors, and etc.

It matters for overclocking, and you don't want it to do crazy voltage jumps as on that video, but rather remain constant. The VRM can be classified as analog and digital. The latest is a bit more precise, but I wouldn't worry much about it.

Now, ASRock Z68 boards mainly used digital CHiL PWM and had 8 true phase design. They downgraded it to 6 phase analog ISL PWM from which they are using only 4. That is the case for every their Z77 Extreme boards. Z77 OC Formula still uses CHiL, and Fata1ty ones have either 5 or 6 phases utilized.

MSI boards also use analog, but most if not all Asus (CHiL) and Gigabyte (IR) boards use digital. MSI boards also the only ones that don't support offset overclocking (in other words, voltage can only be set to a fixed value that doesn't go down besides vdroop).

However, as long as the board doesn't make a crazy voltage jumps like that, I will have no problems recommending it unless there is a better alternative for the same money.
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Edit...ok so somehow i managed to tripple post...?

Some forum bug, I experienced it few times this week...
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VRM is voltage regulator module. It is responsible for supplying power to your CPU. It consists of many compounds, mainly the PWM chip, drivers, mosfets, chocks, capacitors, and etc.
It matters for overclocking, and you don't want it to do crazy voltage jumps as on that video, but rather remain constant. The VRM can be classified as analog and digital. The latest is a bit more precise, but I wouldn't worry much about it.
Now, ASRock Z68 boards mainly used digital CHiL PWM and had 8 true phase design. They downgraded it to 6 phase analog ISL PWM from which they are using only 4. That is the case for every their Z77 Extreme boards. Z77 OC Formula still uses CHiL, and Fata1ty ones have either 5 or 6 phases utilized.
MSI boards also use analog, but most if not all Asus (CHiL) and Gigabyte (IR) boards use digital. MSI boards also the only ones that don't support offset overclocking (in other words, voltage can only be set to a fixed value that doesn't go down besides vdroop).
However, as long as the board doesn't make a crazy voltage jumps like that, I will have no problems recommending it unless there is a better alternative for the same money.
Some forum bug, I experienced it few times this week...

Hmm alright thanks for the info.
I feel as if i had learned more about building a computer in volume than i do learning 4 subjects per semester and University lol.
Edited by james990 - 12/14/12 at 1:30am
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Glad to hear smile.gif.

I want people to make an informed decision rather based on a myth. All boards have trade offs, and it's up to you which ones you are willing to accept.
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Glad to hear smile.gif.
I want people to make an informed decision rather based on a myth. All boards have trade offs, and it's up to you which ones you are willing to accept.
Mmm, What would best suite me out of the range of Asus Mobos?
Also, what brand do you preffer for my build? I am willing to go up to $160 actually.
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I don't recommend any Asus board below P8Z77-V... They are just a bad value. And P8Z77-V for $193 is kind of hard to justify unless you have use for WiFi.
Gigabyte boards are way too overpriced in Australia, and Asus is a better value compared to them.

MSI M-Power for $199 is OK, but out of your budget same as P8Z77-V.

Well, basically I would only buy GD55.
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