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GTX 660 is about better than a 480 in about everything. GTX 600 series are more efficient at using their bandwidth than Fermi cards, or in other words they don't need the same bandwidth to compete or beat Fermi based cards .
Having a 384-bit 177.4 GB/s on the 480 and 192-bit/ 144.19 GB/s on the GTX 660 doesn't make the 660 worse .
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Although the truth to be said if they can give you a GTX 580 then go for it, as it is a better card overall, but you can't go wrong with the GTX 660 .
Not to mention the GTX 660 have more VRAM than both.

Thank you very much sir, you hit the nail on the head I was worried more about the whole 192bit bus.

when i saw this on tomshardware review
"Our last few comments concern the 660 Ti's 192-bit memory interface. Our benchmarks show that this can really put Nvidia's GeForce GTX 660 Ti at a disadvantage, even at 1920x1080 and without obscene texture detail settings. Whether or not you run into a performance problem depends mostly on the game you're playing. In general, though, the card really starts to run out of steam at anti-aliasing settings at and beyond 4x MSAA. This is too bad, since the GPU goes underutilized at that point. The problem is unique to this card. None of the other Kepler-based boards experience it. We're not saying the GeForce GTX 660 Ti is a bad card, but there are competing configurations that demonstrate better balance."

So I guess the real question is if I can get the guy to give me a 660ti he first offered before deciding to offer a 660 when he got off the phone with the boss. lol biggrin.gif

You guys have been very great I appreciate all the advice, ill try to see if I can get a 580 and if not for sure settle on the 660 even if its not a 660ti.

I can't get that site to pull up for whatever reason, maybe server problem ill try back later but makes me feel very good about the trade, felt like I was just getting ripped before to be honest.
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when i saw this on tomshardware review
"Our last few comments concern the 660 Ti's 192-bit memory interface. Our benchmarks show that this can really put Nvidia's GeForce GTX 660 Ti at a disadvantage, even at 1920x1080 and without obscene texture detail settings. Whether or not you run into a performance problem depends mostly on the game you're playing. In general, though, the card really starts to run out of steam at anti-aliasing settings at and beyond 4x MSAA. This is too bad, since the GPU goes underutilized at that point. The problem is unique to this card. None of the other Kepler-based boards experience it. We're not saying the GeForce GTX 660 Ti is a bad card, but there are competing configurations that demonstrate better balance."

Yes. They mean that against the competing AMD cards HD7000 series; the Keplers absolutely lose more frame-rates per second when AA is turned on than the competing HD7000 series cards, due to the lower bus and bandwidth .
Fermi cards and Kepler cards lose about the same percentage when AA is On or Off, or the loss is slightly lower on Kepler cards due to the better and newer architecture.
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So I guess the real question is if I can get the guy to give me a 660ti he first offered before deciding to offer a 660 when he got off the phone with the boss. lol biggrin.gif
You guys have been very great I appreciate all the advice, ill try to see if I can get a 580 and if not for sure settle on the 660 even if its not a 660ti.

If you can get the guy to offer you the GTX 660 Ti then go for it, it is a better card or on par with the GTX 580, consumes less power, has more VRAM, runs quieter, cooler & support a new version of Anti-aliasing (TXAA).
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I can't get that site to pull up for whatever reason, maybe server problem ill try back later but makes me feel very good about the trade, felt like I was just getting ripped before to be honest.
<3 zotac & the great people these forums have.
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I will shortly put 1920x1080 benchmarks in here.
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Edited by HeadlessKnight - 12/13/12 at 11:58pm
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Ya seems like I really should of jumped on that when I got the chance. It was me looking up benchmarks and seeing it compared to the modern ati cards which I haven't researched 3d cards since I bought my 480 quite a while ago. I think maybe if I mention that i'm lossing my lifetime warranty or whatever I can get him to the guy seems pretty cool who knows. I msged you privately because I wasn't trying to sound like such a annoying lil sunamagun lol. <3 for the help man I really appreciate it.

what do you think of this tomshardware review.

Also when I saw the card I was like that itty bitty thing? LOL biggrin.gif as some women have said big things come in small packages sometimes.. .LMAO left myself open with that one.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-memory-bandwidth-anti-aliasing,3283-11.html

Ok I see its all about if you turn aa on probably something that would be fixed in drivers im assuming most of these benchmarks were done when the cards were brand new.
Edited by cmaki2008 - 12/13/12 at 11:58pm
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Ya seems like I really should of jumped on that when I got the chance. It was me looking up benchmarks and seeing it compared to the modern ati cards which I haven't researched 3d cards since I bought my 480 quite a while ago. I think maybe if I mention that i'm lossing my lifetime warranty or whatever I can get him to the guy seems pretty cool who knows. I msged you privately because I wasn't trying to sound like such a annoying lil sunamagun lol. <3 for the help man I really appreciate it.
what do you think of this tomshardware review.

Toms-hardware used a very specific testing scenario where the constrain is put most on the Bus of the card and not the shader power of the GPU; to utilize how the bus width will bottleneck the card in those specific situations.
However, now most newer games relay more in shader power than bandwidth, in the benchmarks I posted from GameGPU you will see the difference between HD 7870 and GTX 660 Ti is much lower than in that Toms-hardware review, the GTX 660 Ti even edge it out sometimes.

Edit :- After returning to the benches and seeing them, "edging it out" is a slightly underestimation, spanking it is a more appropriate word in some situations .
for example with COD : Black OPs II the GTX 660 Ti is 32% better, 27% in Assassins Creed II, 16% in Hawken ... etc

Toms hardware tested the cards in a very specific environment that you may rarely see it during your gaming.
Also they showed the HD7870 faster than GTX 670. Because the ROPs are more efficient in AMD cards than Nvidia, but when the games are maxed out and became in need of shaders the GTX 670 will easily stomp all over the HD7870 due to the much better shader power thumb.gif .
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Also when I saw the card I was like that itty bitty thing? LOL biggrin.gif as some women have said big things come in small packages sometimes.. .LMAO left myself open with that one.

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Well that really answers all of my questions I think some people would possibly give me - rep for being so annoying but thank you very much guys.
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Well that really answers all of my questions I think some people would possibly give me - rep for being so annoying but thank you very much guys.

Not annoying at all, I actually had fun putting all those the benches in the posts biggrin.gif.
And you're welcome thumb.gif .
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You can always try and get a 660ti (worth a try) but yeah the gtx660 is already a good trade. I mean you will also get a new card.
 
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agree with the comments the 660 ti is worth a shot.
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Ended up getting a zt-50102 zotac 580 overclocked, a 480 with a better cooler = sweetness. I don't have to worry about the bus bandwidth. They had found a 580 between yesterday and today. I'm actually glad I didn't end up getting stuck with a 660ti honestly I was happy with the 480's performance and from what ive read these perform better than the 480's and have the same bus bandwidth. winning? biggrin.gif
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The importance of bandwidth is overstated, especially since these are hypothetical figures, and the reality can be very different. Newer cards, for example, tend to have better memory controllers, so will do better with the same, or even somewhat less bandwidth.

Also, total memory size is probably more important in this segment at this time. 1.5GiB of VRAM is pretty meager now a days.
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