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Hope you're having a good holidays nezff santa.gif
I personally don't use optical drives at all in any of my builds....I think it's a lot cleaner to run without them. Once I'm done installing Windows, I just never use 'em. So you never had a fan controller in your Stryker? I would get one if I were you....especially once you start watercooling you'll want one to turn everything down on the rads.


Indeed. I love my FC5-V2. I couldn't fathom running this amount of fans anymore without complete control over the cooling potential and noise with the twist of a knob. It can easily run ~25 of my fans between the 4 channels, and PCModderMike is right. You will definitely want control over all of your fans once you have like 15+ fans. No sense in running all the fans full blast with that many, it's unnecessary noise. tongue.gif Just turn em down as low as you can for idle, adjust to find the "sweet spot" rpm while gaming, encoding, benchmarking etc, and crank em up to full blast if you want to drop the temps back down quickly. thumb.gif
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hubba hubba. This is going to be one impressive build when it's complete my friend. thumb.gif

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Hope you're having a good holidays nezff santa.gif
I personally don't use optical drives at all in any of my builds....I think it's a lot cleaner to run without them. Once I'm done installing Windows, I just never use 'em. So you never had a fan controller in your Stryker? I would get one if I were you....especially once you start watercooling you'll want one to turn everything down on the rads.

I have a controller in my stryker but it only controls 3-4 fans. It's a stock one. I think I might try the external solution. I still use my bluray drive for my little boy and for my home theater movies. I can plug my external hdd in my bluray drive and watch them off that. I'll post a pic of my other hobby, home theater.
 
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I have a controller in my stryker but it only controls 3-4 fans. It's a stock one. I think I might try the external solution. I still use my bluray drive for my little boy and for my home theater movies. I can plug my external hdd in my bluray drive and watch them off that. I'll post a pic of my other hobby, home theater.

Your other hobby huh? Well if it's anything like you PC building, I'm sure it's definitely something to drool over. drool.gif
I feel ya on the blu-ray stuff, and especially shows for the little one. I use Netflix and download a lot of stuff for my 3 and 8 year old....but I just have an extra long HDMI cable that can feed the main TV if we want to watch something there. If we watch a true blu-ray disc, we just use the blu-ray player connected directly to the television.
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I'll have to post some new pics in my build log for my M8 but I was confronted with the exact same problem. I have a BR drive in my main HTPC and in my home server so initially I didn't feel the need. I also have this external USB3 drive which I planned on using (and I admit to feeling peer pressure due to so many negative opinions of internal media drives being a sign of an 'old man'). So I initially went with just the FC5v2 and my drives all on the PSU side.

Well, that took a windows install to get really old fast - so now I've reconfigured things so that my cooling is slightly less optimal but the layout is better IMO and I have both an internal drive and the FC5v2 as well as all my drives on the CPU side - I left the pump on the CPU side but moved my reservoir over to the PSU side of the case. Not only do I have more that enough room and added two additional fans on the CPU side - but if I get crazy/stupid I could now add a third 360 rad to the PSU side down the road.

Considering that I can't hit water temps over 34C even during benching and BTC mining - I don't ever see needing 3 360s - but hey this is OCN so I might do it just for grins some day. biggrin.gif

Take your time and do whatever you really want the first time - even if it's something that's not 'trendy' around these parts. It's your machine after all! thumb.gif
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I'll have to post some new pics in my build log for my M8 but I was confronted with the exact same problem. I have a BR drive in my main HTPC and in my home server so initially I didn't feel the need. I also have this external USB3 drive which I planned on using (and I admit to feeling peer pressure due to so many negative opinions of internal media drives being a sign of an 'old man'). So I initially went with just the FC5v2 and my drives all on the PSU side.
Well, that took a windows install to get really old fast - so now I've reconfigured things so that my cooling is slightly less optimal but the layout is better IMO and I have both an internal drive and the FC5v2 as well as all my drives on the CPU side - I left the pump on the CPU side but moved my reservoir over to the PSU side of the case. Not only do I have more that enough room and added two additional fans on the CPU side - but if I get crazy/stupid I could now add a third 360 rad to the PSU side down the road.
Considering that I can't hit water temps over 34C even during benching and BTC mining - I don't ever see needing 3 360s - but hey this is OCN so I might do it just for grins some day. biggrin.gif
Take your time and do whatever you really want the first time - even if it's something that's not 'trendy' around these parts. It's your machine after all! thumb.gif

Did your windows install not go well? I was under the assumption that you could just install windows from your usb3 drive.
 
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Your other hobby huh? Well if it's anything like you PC building, I'm sure it's definitely something to drool over. drool.gif
I feel ya on the blu-ray stuff, and especially shows for the little one. I use Netflix and download a lot of stuff for my 3 and 8 year old....but I just have an extra long HDMI cable that can feed the main TV if we want to watch something there. If we watch a true blu-ray disc, we just use the blu-ray player connected directly to the television.
Actually I like to think I do better at ht. lol

I havent built a true gaming pc in over 12 or so years. Alot of stuff has changed but for the better in pc building world.

I'll get you some pics tomorrow as I'm at the firestation today for 24.
 
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Did your windows install not go well? I was under the assumption that you could just install windows from your usb3 drive.

You can install Windows just fine from an external drive - but it's definitely not as fast as an internal one (it's only USB 2.0 during install because you don't have any drivers for it). My biggest reason is more of an OCD issue. I wind up ripping something (CD,DVD,BD,Software Installer) twice a week on average - so pulling out the drive, hooking it up, plugging in the external brick, etc... add another 10 minutes to the process. Leaving it hooked up all the time adds one more thing on my desktop, two more cords hanging down, and even at USB3 speeds inside Windows it's still slower to rip and burn than SATA drives (not sure if it's just this model or not on that point tho).

So at the end of the day - I just decided that if I moved things around a little I might have a 3% less efficient loop (at least the tubing runs are 9" longer and have 2 more bends) but I would have always-ready access to my optical drive, and no additional space, cords, plugs, etc. since the case takes the same space regardless. biggrin.gif

If I were a more patient man I would have simply purchased a much smaller reservoir (I have the 250 Bitspower). With a 150 or less I could have just added the BD drive and left everything else as-is, but I didn't feel like waiting - and as soon as I can find a good deal on another 7970 or get 'B-Negative Fever' and get push-fittings and replace all my tubing runs with bent pipe... I can redo it all again. wink.gif
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You can install Windows just fine from an external drive - but it's definitely not as fast as an internal one (it's only USB 2.0 during install because you don't have any drivers for it). My biggest reason is more of an OCD issue. I wind up ripping something (CD,DVD,BD,Software Installer) twice a week on average - so pulling out the drive, hooking it up, plugging in the external brick, etc... add another 10 minutes to the process. Leaving it hooked up all the time adds one more thing on my desktop, two more cords hanging down, and even at USB3 speeds inside Windows it's still slower to rip and burn than SATA drives (not sure if it's just this model or not on that point tho).
So at the end of the day - I just decided that if I moved things around a little I might have a 3% less efficient loop (at least the tubing runs are 9" longer and have 2 more bends) but I would have always-ready access to my optical drive, and no additional space, cords, plugs, etc. since the case takes the same space regardless. biggrin.gif
If I were a more patient man I would have simply purchased a much smaller reservoir (I have the 250 Bitspower). With a 150 or less I could have just added the BD drive and left everything else as-is, but I didn't feel like waiting - and as soon as I can find a good deal on another 7970 or get 'B-Negative Fever' and get push-fittings and replace all my tubing runs with bent pipe... I can redo it all again. wink.gif

gotcha!

Taking out the drive and power cord was something I pondered also. I just really dont use my bluray that much. Maybe once a week.
 
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Did a little test this morning.

I have four Corsair SP120 high performance fans for the H100 rad. I have 8 more Corsair Sp120 fans which I planned on using as front intakes and one rear exhaust.

I purchase a two pack of Corsair AF120 high performance fans just to see how well they did as intakes for the front of the M8. My thinking is that they might get choked down more than the SP120s because of the restriction in front of them being the mesh grille of the M8.

I installed one SP120 and one AF120 in the front of the M8 thuis morning to see how well they acted as intake fans. I noticed that the AF series fan at 12 volts is quieter than the SP120 at 12 volts. The SP120 seems to push more air into the case than the AF120. Of course, there will be three fans up front pulling air in, so Im not going to base my decision solely on that factor. The SP120 does have a different tone than the AF120 mainly because of the larger blades. Seemed to me to be a slight more "whine" if you will.

Now according to these results by cooling technique, the SP120 pushes more air in cfm than the AF120. The static pressure of course will be better on the SP120 because that is what this fan is designed for. I was thinking that the AF120 would be better utilized as a case fan because its main purpose is being used as a case fan in open air enviorments.





I guess what it boils down to is silence compared to a slight drop in cfm. Do I want less noise and less air or higher noise and more air? tough decision. All an all, Im thinking that with six intake fans (AF120s) three on the right bay, and three on the left bay, that the case should have adequate air coming in. Yes, the case will have more air coming in by using the SP120s, but with six of them going at 12volts, WOW. NOISE.
 
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Update to my tests above:

I ran three SP120s on the mobo side of the M8 and YES they are a tad loud. The AF120s are much much quieter. I placed a order for 4 more AF120s high performance to go with the two I already have. These will be used as front intakes on both the mobo side and PSU side. I will be using the SP120s on the rad in push pull, and possibly a fifth on the exhaust.
 
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