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That's what I'm thinking. Plus it will really only be one ugly tube, running diagonally from the bottom Monsta to the top one. I came to the conclusion that I won't be able to have both Monstas with their ports on the rear end of the case, since the power supply is in the way. So I plan to flip the top one around so the ports are closest to the front of the case. So the tubing will run from the EX360 (top, mobo side, ports near case rear) through the grommet, down to the Monsta on the bottom (bottom, PS side), then diagonally back up to the top Monsta (ports closest to the case front), and from there through grommets to the tube/pumps, then bottom GPU > top GPU > CPU > EX360.

I'm open to options on tube runs guys, so chime in with suggestions!!!
Edited by Bart - 5/23/13 at 8:48pm
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That's what I'm thinking. Plus it will really only be one ugly tube, running diagonally from the bottom Monsta to the top one. I came to the conclusion that I won't be able to have both Monstas with their ports on the rear end of the case, since the power supply is in the way. So I plan to flip the top one around so the ports are closest to the front of the case. So the tubing will run from the EX360 (top, mobo side) through the grommet, down to the Monsta on the bottom (bottom, PS side), then diagonally back up to the top Monsta (ports closest to the case front), and from there through grommets to the tube/pumps, then bottom GPU > top GPU > CPU > EX360.

I'm open to options on tube runs guys, so chime in with suggestions!!!

you want me to help you and I have not figured out mine yet!!! biggrin.gif

actually I have not look at the M8 enough to help you sorry..

But wife is mad at you about the kracken!!!!



the one I have is just about empty now!!!! cheers.gif
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you want me to help you and I have not figured out mine yet!!! biggrin.gif

I'll take anyone's help. Like I said, I'm easy. biggrin.gif
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Why not just run the tubing around the sides of the PSU (like the shape of an inverted hour glass)?
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Why not just run the tubing around the sides of the PSU (like the shape of an inverted hour glass)?

It's possible but it's easy to get claustrophobic (much easier than one might think in a case this size). With no bottom rad, and only one tubing run it's pretty manageable:


If you try to put two larger rads on that side however... (and these are UT60's not Monsta's)...


Tubing run is getting kinda stupid already but what happens when you want to put drives, wires, etc... in there (remember that side of the M8 is not as wide as the CPU side is...)


NIGHTMARE!!!! rolleyes.gif Naturally with some incredibly OCD wire management it's possible but IMO three rads or even two Monsta's in this case are not rational - possible, but not rational. I think if you're going to try to do it without a pedestal, and you're planning on winding up with something that doesn't cause you to completely go insane any time you need to swap out something... you either need to go bent-copper hardlines, so you can to long runs fairly tightly against the rads - or forgo the drives altogether. I had to move mine to the CPU side in exchange for my reservoir in my previous build because I use an optical drive fairly often and wanted to put one in.

If you can pull off the build you're planning without using a pedestal or the 120mm top... you're definitely a better man than I am Bart!

If you did get the highest extended top you could put the Monsta's in the roof - fans inside push-only (EDIT: you'd have room for pull fans as well with the 120mm top) and have some pretty easy runs that way.. plus with the EX360 in the floor (either push-pull or push only) you would have more maneuvering room for the tubing and wires to pass through the bottom holes - although I don't envy your fingers on that one. Honestly, the more I messed with my configuration - the more I wished I'd just paid twice as much and bought a T10 - or at least an MH10! redface.gif

I'm pretty impatient to get back to using my rig - but the way I figured it, buying a pedestal was the cheapest solution actually - at least if I considered my time worth more than $2/hr.. wink.gif

EDIT - You know - it might be considered 'ghetto' by some around these parts... and I don't have a Monsta to test-fit, but what about putting the two Monstas in the top (inside) and running the connecting run through the holes in the BACK of the case. then your inside runs are straight, and an extension plus 90 degree looks like it might light up with the grommeted hole in the back. (I can't say for sure though).
Edited by DiGiCiDAL - 5/24/13 at 7:01am
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Why not just run the tubing around the sides of the PSU (like the shape of an inverted hour glass)?
That was the original plan, but the power supply is so close to the ports when mounted in the middle that I'm not sure it's possible. I only have 1 rig, and no extra power supplies for fitment testing, so that doesn't exactly help. The Monsta ends up so close to the PS that I'm pretty sure you can't fit a right-angle compression fitting in there. I think I have a busted PS buried somewhere in my basement, so if I can find that, I'll mount it up and see how much clearance I have. If I could do as you suggest, my original plan would work. The first plan was to have all 3 rads with the ports on the rear of the case, then go from EX360 to top Monsta, down to bottom Monsta, then run one long tube from the back of the case to the front, through one of the grommets and into the tube res. That layout makes a lot of sense in my mind, and seems to be as clean a tube run as I can get in this situation.

Digicial: thanks for posting those pics! That helps a lot! I wish I had sprung for the MH10 now too. smile.gif Of course, then I'd end up wanting 480 Monstas because I'm an idiot, and I'd be in the same boat! I considered external tube runs as well, but I really want to keep in internal. The two things that makes this hard are the tall tube res, and the fact that I have 4 HDDS and 2 SSDs. I'm planning to velcro the dual SSD mount to the bottom of the HDD cage on the PS side, with no drives on the mobo side at all. That makes it a REAL tight fit!
Edited by Bart - 5/24/13 at 8:42am
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That was the original plan, but the power supply is so close to the ports when mounted in the middle that I'm not sure it's possible. I only have 1 rig, and no extra power supplies for fitment testing, so that doesn't exactly help. The Monsta ends up so close to the PS that I'm pretty sure you can't fit a right-angle compression fitting in there. I think I have a busted PS buried somewhere in my basement, so if I can find that, I'll mount it up and see how much clearance I have. If I could do as you suggest, my original plan would work. The first plan was to have all 3 rads with the ports on the rear of the case, then go from EX360 to top Monsta, down to bottom Monsta, then run one long tube from the back of the case to the front, through one of the grommets and into the tube res. That layout makes a lot of sense in my mind, and seems to be as clean a tube run as I can get in this situation.

Digicial: thanks for posting those pics! That helps a lot!

That's about as clean as you can possibly hope for, but it's that last part that gets really tricky. I couldn't get a decent run through a front grommet with a lower rad on the PSU side... It could definitely be done, and you've got the largest tube you can hope for in that instance (I'm running 3/8X5/8 so yours will be similar). With all the ports at the back that top-to-bottom run behind the PSU is doable but tricky without some weird bends (although you could do a graceful curve over the top of the PSU to 60-degree fitting - then straight run until under the PSU support to another 60 to send it out the other way). It kind of sucks to use fittings on a plain tube run, especially since that's possibly a $50 run depending on what brand/finish of fittings you use, but without it you run a really good chance of crimping the tubing since it's going to be pushed against two hard metal 90-degree edges.

I haven't test fit with a door on there, but I think there might just barely be enough room to fit the tubing between the PSU (fan side) and the door. Wouldn't be pretty with a window there but with the ventilated side you wouldn't see it and a single run of tubing wouldn't obstruct the PSU enough to matter. headscratch.gif Sure would look weird though. I guess you could make some tube saddles to hold it against the back of the case as it passed the PSU... that might look pretty slick actually!
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Thanks for chiming in sir, you've given me plenty of food for thought! I didn't anticipate a problem running a tube through the grommet (other than that expense of fittings of course), but my tube res will have to be pretty snug to the U-shaped bottom grommet, so I don't like my chances of getting a 3/8 5/8 tube through that one. I was hoping to utilize the round one closest to the case front, and run the tube to the stand-alone Aqualis D5 pump/top, then connect that to the D5/tube combo. Having dual D5s running outside a bay res is turning out to be trickier than I had thought it would be!
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Thanks for chiming in sir, you've given me plenty of food for thought! I didn't anticipate a problem running a tube through the grommet (other than that expense of fittings of course), but my tube res will have to be pretty snug to the U-shaped bottom grommet, so I don't like my chances of getting a 3/8 5/8 tube through that one. I was hoping to utilize the round one closest to the case front, and run the tube to the stand-alone Aqualis D5 pump/top, then connect that to the D5/tube combo. Having dual D5s running outside a bay res is turning out to be trickier than I had thought it would be!

Well, you won't know till you try... it will definitely be a tight one, but I've seen people pull off much more amazing things on this site - however, they all had way more skill than I do so I went the "throw more money at the problem" route. I think your loop will work, and it will definitely be impressive to look at, but I can predict some very frustrating times ahead. One thing I learned on my first run with this case is that despite all the room... the order in which you assemble is of primary importance - oddly even more so than some smaller, cheaper cases.

Just think about both sides in 3D and build outwards toward the doors (as far as tube/fan wiring/PSU cables/etc.) and it will save you that "ah ha" moment when you realize that the thing you need to secure to the divider plate or pass through a hole, doesn't have anyway of getting back there any longer! Because the third or fourth time you are rearranging all your cables to fix that fan that came unplugged isn't nearly as fun as it was the first time! rolleyes.gif
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LOL! Knowing how absent-minded I can be, that WILL happen. I'll forget about ONE cable, either a chassis fan, the 8 pin motherboard power cable, etc. I ALWAYS do stupid things like that! I'll be sure to make a paper list of connections to be "checked off" before putting water in this thing. smile.gif
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