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post #1181 of 2929
So, I threw my S23A950D in frame-sequential mode and my FPS in Crysis 3 MP, which is normally ~150FPS, drops to like 80. Is this normal?
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So, I threw my S23A950D in frame-sequential mode and my FPS in Crysis 3 MP, which is normally ~150FPS, drops to like 80. Is this normal?
That's the 3D stereoscopic overhead by the graphics card.
If you're not using 3D, then try disabling the "3D Stereoscopic" checkboxes in your Control Panel.

There is a way to eliminate the framerate hit, because you're only using it for 2D. If you're having difficulties keeping the monitor in 3D mode, while keeping Windows in 2D mode (that's the configuraiton you need), post back and we'll have to figure out a way.

There's now currently zero framerate hit with LightBoost using the ToastyX method; so the same should be possible with the Samsung Zero Motion Blur HOWTO -- I should soon update it with instructions to prevent the framerate hit, but I need to verify with Samsung users what they did to prevent the framerate loss.
Edited by mdrejhon - 6/26/13 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by renji1337 View Post

Anyone test new driver for vg248qe/other monitor colors?
VG248QE -- significantly worsens LightBoost color
XL2720T -- significantly improves LightBoost color

320.18 driver is fairly buggy on average, but if you're an XL2720T user, this helps you get near the quality of your monitor's non-LightBoost mode (like I am able to with my VG278H)
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Originally Posted by mdrejhon View Post

The method is much easier now -- the LightBoost HOWTO no longer uses registry tweaks or INF files.

The method will become even easier, as ToastyX is releasing a new utility by July that allows you to turn on/off LightBoost upon the press of a hotkey (after a quick automatic initialization of the monitor that no longer requires 3D Vision drivers).
That's gonna be awesome. Having to go into the Nvidia control panel is a bit tedious.
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What about with the new beta driver 320.49?
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Hey guys. Managed to get an nvidia 3d vision kit off eBay for £35! Does anyone know if the lightboost technology will work with these glasses or is it only the 2nd version kit? Is it a feature of the monitor or the glasses or both?

My monitor is lightboost ready.

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post #1187 of 2929
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Yes.
3D Vision 1 glasses will work with 3D Vision 2 LightBoost monitors.
You'll get the LightBoost 3D official benefits.
(In addition to the LightBoost 2D 'tweak' benefits you can get without the glasses).

LightBoost is a monitor feature.
It is a strobe backlight; see high speed video.
Edited by mdrejhon - 6/26/13 at 9:24pm
post #1188 of 2929
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New BlurBusters Blog entries:


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Andy of nVidia posted on NeoGaf, that nVidia has noticed the surge of LightBoost popularity.
This is hopefully good for the future of strobe backlights in general.



Monitor manufacturers also need to provide two modes in the same monitors:
(1) PWM-free dimming mode (for people who do not like flicker)
(2) Good strobe mode for CRT-quality motion blur elimination (one strobe per refresh)


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In other news, AnandTech just updated their review to include LightBoost tests:
AnandTech review of BENQ XL2720T -- now edited to include LightBoost charts!.
There were comments by many users in the thread, complaining why AnandTech didn't test LightBoost!

AnandTech listened to their users in the comments, and edited their review to include LightBoost tests! Page 7 of AnandTech's review of the BENQ XL2720T includes tests, measurements & graphs with LightBoost enabled on the BENQ XL2720T monitor.

We've reached a critical mass of "Any 120Hz monitor must also include an optional strobe backlight feature": Enthusiast review websites will have difficulty reviewing 120Hz monitors without comments bringing up LightBoost (especially if it was not tested)!


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Edited by mdrejhon - 6/26/13 at 10:34pm
post #1189 of 2929
I've been wondering, how does the strobed image on these LCDs compare to a CRT monitor? I've always wished I could get a Sony FW900.
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Monitor manufacturers also need to provide two modes in the same monitors:
(1) PWM-free dimming mode (for people who do not like flicker)
(2) Good strobe mode for CRT-quality motion blur elimination (one strobe per refresh)=
That's the kind of stuff that usually never gets put into products, despite the fact that it would be a big selling point.
post #1190 of 2929
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I've been wondering, how does the strobed image on these LCDs compare to a CRT monitor? I've always wished I could get a Sony FW900.
You must've missed the testimonials on the first post of this thread:
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Then yesterday I, for some reason, disabled the 3d and noticed there was no ghosting to be spotted at all in titan quest. It's like playing on my old CRT.
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I can confirm this works on BENQ XL2420TX
EDIT: And OMG i can play scout so much better now in TF2, this is borderline cheating.
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Thanks for this, it really works! Just tried it on my VG278H. Its like a CRT now!
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Oh my, I just got Skyrim AFK camera spinning (which I used to test LCD's versus the [Sony CRT] FW900) to run without stutters and VSYNC locked to 120. This Benq with Lightboost is just as crystal clear if not clearer than the FW900 motion. I am in awe. More testing tomorrow. Any of my doubts about this Lightboost technology have been vaporized! I've been playing around with this fluid motion on this monitor for like 6-hours straight, that is how impressive it is.
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way to go vega enjoyed your review and pics ..thanks for taking the time .got my VG248QE last friday .replacing my fw900 witch is finally taking a rest in my closet .
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Thanks for the timely review Vega.
I went ahead and opened mine and WOW, it really does feel like my FW900. I haven't tried a game yet but it's down right eerie seeing 2d text move without going blurry.
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Originally Posted by Cat 
QuakeLive forum post (Cat)
With my Asus VG278HE at 120Hz and Lightboost (the Lightboost registry hack doesn't currently support 144Hz) playing at 1080p I am pretty much brutalizing my competition. Even with its 2-5ms input lag, which is worse than the 1ms of my old 120Hz monitor the difference with Lightboost is so huge the input lag literally becomes a non-issue. The only thing that matters now that I don't experience any motion blur is my true reaction time.

And there are even more testimonials, including BF3stats graphs:
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Original Post by "Torr Samaho" from Geforce Forums
in case someone is wondering what's so great about using lightboost without glasses: i can confirm you get practically blur-free motion on your LCD.. the difference was so obvious to me that i stared surprised at my screen when i used lightboost for the first time.

people have different sensitivities to motion blur. i'm one of those who get a kind of motion sickness or nausea from seeing a continously blurred image.

to make it clear: no one can consciously see millisecond differences. what you do see however is their effect on the image: a screen with 1 ms response time blurs significantly less than a screen with 10 ms response time. this is visible in mark's captions of objects moving on-screen.

i'm not gaming competitively, i just want to see sharp motion, as blur detracts from the gaming experience.

i have tried plain 120 hz screens before. they were clearly better than the blurry mess that 60 hz screens are (at least when you play fast shooters with a high sens, like i do) but they still only delayed that motion sickness. lightboost has finally eliminated it. for gaming it's the biggest improvement in LCD technology yet.

mark's articles convinced me. i bought an nvidia card and a lightboost monitor only for this purpose (even downgrading static image quality, as i had a WQHD IPS monitor)
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Originally Posted by Dr1pper 
Original Post by Dr1pperUK on Geforce Forums
“Please look at my bf3stats history graph of kdr page:

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“I would like to bring your attention to the sudden increase in my average (i.e. running) KDR that started towards the end of february, the exact time i bought a ASUS 2ms 120hz monitor with light boost (upgraded from a Hannspree 5.5ms 60hz monitor). Please ignore the wild peaks and troughs at the beginning of this graph, this was a period of first learning to play that game well and then the updates that came along to stop the weapons having as much power and accuracy (making it tougher to kill as many people in a single clip hence i died more). After the first 9 months of game updates the game finally smoothened out with fairly consistent weapons handling and predictability once again. This is represented by the consistently stable kdr throughout the long middle period of the graph.”
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Originally Posted by immetjes 
Original Post by immetjes on overclockers.co.uk Forum
“I’m using the XL2411T with lightboost since 21-Dec-2012. You can see on the picture below how my stats improved; don’t be fooled by how little it seems as these are average stats and with the history going back a year stats change slowly. 19-Dec-2012 is using the old set-up (GTX260 SLI and normal LCD). After that it is the XL2411T driven by one GTX670 OC and then since 12-Jan-2013 GTX670 OC in SLI.”

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“I also tried the 144Hz/120Hz without lightboost but I like the 120Hz with lightboost better. In game I can tell straight away if lightboost is off or on because of the blur.”
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Originally Posted by Skyviper 
Original Post by "Skyviper" from HardForum
So I finally got the VG248QE hooked up last night and was able to play around with it for a couple hours. The other monitor that I have is a HP ZR30W which is a 30" 2560x1600 IPS monitor so I will be comparing the VG248QE to that a lot in this review.

Right off the bat, I noticed the color quality seems to be a lot worse than the ZR30W. Everything looks to be washed out, dull and not to mention the monitor suffers from poor viewing angles. On the ZR30W, there is next to no color shifting when I move my head around unlike the VG248QE, but that's a common problem with all TN monitors. I tried calibrating the monitor a little bit using some of the values posted online, but it still doesn't compare to the HP.

Moving on, the first thing I tried was 144 Hz gaming. I loaded up Borderlands 2 just to see how it is and I can definitely say it felt smoother. There is no screen tearing at all on the ASUS, unlike how it is on the HP if i don't turn on Vsync. Although the game felt smoother at 144 Hz and there was less blurring, I found that having to play on a lower res (1920x1080 vs 2560x1600) and poorer color reproduction made the overall gaming experience WORSE. Granted this isn't a competitive, online FPS game so I might have benefited more from having a faster refresh rate, but I would have probably stuck with playing this game on the 30" IPS monitor rather than a 24" TN.

At this point I felt like I may have wasted $300 bucks on a monitor that is full of compromises. The next thing I tried of course was using the Lightboost hack. This was the main reason why I bought the monitor in the first place since there are plenty of other 120 Hz monitors that I could have gotten that I'm sure had better color reproduction.

So I downloaded the hacked INF file and followed Mark's instructions. After turning on Lightboost, I noticed the monitor became a little bit brighter so I loaded up PixPerAn just to verify everything is working. The first thing I noticed was that I can actually read "I need more socks" at full speed! This was cool since I've never been able to read it going so fast before on any LCD monitor.

I then proceeded to load up Borderlands 2 again not having much expectations. The first thing that happened was I noticed the FPS drop down to around 1-2 fps, but then I remembered to hold down "Ctrl-T" for a few seconds to turn off the 3D effect which fixed the FPS problem. So I loaded up a game and the first thing that came to my mind was...

SWEET MOTHER OF GOD!

Am I seeing this correctly? The last time I gamed on a CRT monitor was back in 2006 before I got my first LCD and this ASUS monitor is EXACTLY like how I remembered gaming on a CRT monitor. I was absolutely shocked and amazed at how clear everything was when moving around. After seeing Lightboost in action, I would have gladly paid twice the amount for something that can reproduce the feeling I got when playing on a CRT. Now I really can't see myself going back to my 30" 2560x1600 IPS monitor when gaming. Everything looks so much clearer on the ASUS with Lightboost turned on.


If you do any kind of gaming, you should definitely get this monitor. For everything else however, an IPS monitor would probably be better.

Thankfully I am lucky enough to have both
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Originally Posted by lowfat 
Original Post by Moderator 'lowfat' from HardwareCanucks Forums
I’m a definite convert now. Downgrading in resolution [from 1440p] hasn’t been a problem. In areas where I can maintain 120Hz, Lightboost makes a huge difference. It truly is like gaming on a CRT again. I really can’t wait till we start seeing IPS panels that take advantage of frame matched backlight strobing.
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Originally Posted by l88tbastard 
Original Post by l88tbastard on HardForum
“Im running one of those Asus 24″ glossy screens that vega sells combined with a titan gtx and itis amazing. After dialing in the colors I like it better than my sony fw900 and my catleap 2b! [IPS 120Hz Overclock] This is exactly what i have been waiting years for!”

Small sampling. Obviously, not everyone likes LightBoost, but there appears to be thousands of testimonials Internet-wide in hundreds of forums in many countries (found in places like Russia, Portugal, USA, Canada, etc). I see the logfiles of Blur Busters Blog, and I'm amazed by the users of hundreds of forums that spontaneously link to my blog everytime somebody mentions 120Hz...

Originally I made tons of forum noise at the beginning of the LightBoost 2D discovery, but I don't have to anymore.... the LightBoost users are sustaining the momentum now.

Up front "expectations tempering" below:
...LightBoost is not really worth it if you can't average triple-digit framerates
...LightBoost monitors quality do have a lot of variances between them.
...IPS may be a better choice, but there are obviously users who prefer LightBoost.
Some general recommendations:
-- You want cheapest LightBoost? ASUS VG248QE or BENQ XL2411T
-- You want clearest LightBoost? ASUS VG248QE or BENQ XL2411T
-- You want most colorful LightBoost? ASUS VG278H (not HE or QE) or BENQ XL2720T.
(Note: My VG278H LightBoost color looks better than my XL2411T non-LightBoost color)
Edited by mdrejhon - 6/27/13 at 12:44am
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