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Anyone who is responsibly contributing "definitive" measurements on input latency is in fact using an oscilloscope and photosensor. If they aren't, they're contributing nothing of value.

I'm with you in theory (regarding the 144hz monitor) but 0.6ms measured input latency @ 60hz and 2-3ms @144hz are both well below the threshold of human perception, so to say that the 144hz "feels" more responsive isn't exactly accurate. But from a technical perspective I see what you are saying.

But you are supporting part of your argument using a phantom value (0.6ms) which certainly was not measured with an oscilloscope and photodiode. It was measured using a camera and stopwatch setup which can't separate basal input latency and some element of pixel response performance. Use of photodiode and oscilloscope is very rare indeed and to say anything else contributes nothing of value is simply not true. The fact of the matter is that people have difference sensitivity to input lag and fretting over a couple of millisecond is pointless.

And I think you are missing the point about the influence of refresh rate, or at thinking I was drawing a link that I wasn't. This has nothing specifically to do with the signal processing delay or input lag of the monitor but it has a hell of a lot to do with how responsive the whole thing feels to the user. On a 144Hz monitor the screen is feeding the user 2.4 times as much visual information every second (or over any time period in fact). Assimilated amongst that information is the outcome of the user's input responses, including mouse movements. This is what I was referring to previously by more frequent input polling.
Edited by PCM2 - 2/10/13 at 1:17pm
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And I think you are missing the point about the influence of refresh rate, or at thinking I was drawing a link that I wasn't. This has nothing specifically to do with the signal processing delay or input lag of the monitor but it has a hell of a lot to do with how responsive the whole thing feels to the user..

This is what I was specifically asking to have clarified, ty thumb.gif

Also, use of an oscilloscope and photo sensor is indeed rare, but if you look around the net, equally rare are sites contributing valuable information on how monitors relate to each other. lol
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Got math-owned... I'll shut up now smile.gif
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This is what I was specifically asking to have clarified, ty thumb.gif

Excellent.
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Also, use of an oscilloscope and photo sensor is indeed rare, but if you look around the net, equally rare are sites contributing valuable information on how monitors relate to each other.

Indeed. I spend a lot of my spare time helping people understand them better and trying to run a website that gives people the information they need. I get a lot of very confused people who look no further than generic 'hardware' sites for specialist information. It certainly isn't like looking at a graphics card where you can feed people figures such as frame rates and such that people can instantly translate into "bad", "good", "excellent" etc. With monitors there's an awful lot to consider and subjectivity is extremely important. You have to look at the bigger picture.
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My lightboost used to be always on and i never had to hit control t. not i can't get it to go to always on again?
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Anyone having problems with Lightboost in BF3 mp. I keep getting game crashes. Dont know if its beta drivers or a BF3 update causing problem.

Edit: Yup it was the R313 beta drivers. Had to go back to 310.xx whql

The beta drivers were causing issues at desktop also when in Lightboost mode.
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The so called Lightboost also works on samsungs monitors SA700D, SA750D and SA950D with both Nvidia and AMD.

http://marky.com/backlight/lightboost-zero-motion-blur/samsung/
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The so called Lightboost also works on samsungs monitors SA700D, SA750D and SA950D with both Nvidia and AMD.

http://marky.com/backlight/lightboost-zero-motion-blur/samsung/
Lol, you sound a little feisty there bud. Glad Mark got it working for the AMD crowd also. Too bad it introduces too much lag for online multiplayer gaming on the Samsungs; I wonder why. That's what I mostly use Lightboost for.
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Nice, good news for AMD owners!
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Yes - it's just a shame Samsung decided to discontinue their SA700/750/950 series without announcing any official replacement. I've been trying to several months to work out what their grand plan is. mad.gif
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