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Platform cost.
A locked i5 will typically clock to it's maximum possible speed bin, and run forever, on a 60 dollar motherboard, with the stock boxed cooler. Virtually no board in that price segment will handle even a moderate OC on an FX hex or octo core part without grave risk to it's VRMs.
I wouldn't recommend a locked i5 either, unless it was going to be paired with one of the least expensive boards available. In these cases, the price performance is pretty damn hard to rival.
If it was OCed 6300 vs. Stock i5, then I would agree.
However, locked doesn't mean completely unoverclockable.
Even locked i5s can clock four multipliers above the highest turbo bin, and a 3.9-4GHz i5 quad is damn hard for a 6300 to beat.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that with only one core active? With all four cores active, I could only get 3.5ghz. Also with the cheap motherboard, you get what you pay for on both sides of the fence. I can't tell you how many times I had to rma an Asrock Z68 Extreme4 due to faulty usb and sata ports. I'd rather pay the premium and have a board that will last with no problems.
Edited by computerparts - 12/21/12 at 6:48pm
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that with only one core active? With all four cores active, I could only get 3.5ghz.

Yes, this is true, and something I neglected to take into account.

Still, most games are still not loading more than 2-3 cores, and even the 3.5-3.6 you'll get out of all four cores is nothing to sneeze at on Sandy or Ivy.

It does certainly make the FX-6300 even more appealing for heavily threaded tasks however.
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Also with the cheap motherboard, you get what you pay for on both sides of the fence. I can't tell you how many times I had to rma an Asrock Z68 Extreme4 due to faulty usb and sata ports. I'd rather pay the premium and have a board that will last with no problems.

Personally, I've blown up more 150 dollar boards by pulling excessive current through them than I've had cheap (50-80) boards with failing ports or other miscellaneous issues.

Actually, the last board I had with a bad port was a $260 part.
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Platform cost.
Was that a joke?
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A locked i5 will typically clock to it's maximum possible speed bin, and run forever, on a 60 dollar motherboard, with the stock boxed cooler. Virtually no board in that price segment will handle even a moderate OC on an FX hex or octo core part without grave risk to it's VRMs.

Overdramatic is Overdramatic.
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I wouldn't recommend a locked i5 either, unless it was going to be paired with one of the least expensive boards available. In these cases, the price performance is pretty damn hard to rival.
If it was OCed 6300 vs. Stock i5, then I would agree.

Then why are you?
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However, locked doesn't mean completely unoverclockable.
Even locked i5s can clock four multipliers above the highest turbo bin, and a 3.9-4GHz i5 quad is damn hard for a 6300 to beat.
The stock cooler is more than sufficient for a 4GHz i5 (which is the fastest any locked i5 can reliably be set to).

And the stock cooler on any Intel chip is far inferior to the stock AMD chip...
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Also, a 4GHz i5 uses about 100w of power total, which is lower than (better when it comes to context) than a 4.6GHz + FX-6300

Valid, but only applies if the OP cares...
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thus the board can be cheaper as well...

... Oh, we're still just kidding... Lol.
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For the overclocked FX setup, I'd say you need to spend about 30-50 dollars more on board, and about 30-50 dollars more on cooling. This makes the final system cost very comparable.

Huh? I'm not going to say anything other than, no, you've no clue what you're talking about.

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The choice comes down to what is faster for the task at hand, four 3.8 to 4GHz Ivy bridge cores (no HT), or six 4.6-4.8GHz Vishera cores? For gaming, the Ivy is probably the better bet.
Now were I encoding, transcrypting, or virtualizing (and I certainly am, but the OP is not), then I would argue for the FX-6300.

No, the choice comes down to how much you're willing to waste on your CPU, when you could've spent that money on your GPU.
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You should seriously consider a low end LGA1155.
This is a i3-2100 (cheapest Intel Core CPU) chugging along in BF3 with 2 HD7970's in CFX (arguably the most powerful GPU) - GPU usage is obviously bottlenecked, but for a $100 CPU is freaking awesome:






Note: Everything is maxed out @ 1080p
Edited by Dirtyworks - 12/21/12 at 7:40pm
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Was that a joke?

Absolutely not.
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Overdramatic is Overdramatic.

I was being 100% literal.

There are $60 dollar boards that will take a locked i5 to the full +4 bins, 24/7 stable, without issue, on the stock cooler.
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Then why are you?

Because locked i5s can still OC by 400Mhz on the slowest core, and 800MHz on the fastest.

So, we are not talking about stock parts.
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And the stock cooler on any Intel chip is far inferior to the stock AMD chip...

I never suggested otherwise.

A 3.6-4GHz i5 uses less than half the power, and needs to dissipate less than half the heat of a moderately OCed FX-6300.

You can therefore OC an i5 just fine on a garbage cooler.
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No, the choice comes down to how much you're willing to waste on your CPU, when you could've spent that money on your GPU.

No.

As I have pointed out, the total cost of non-GPU components can be the same, or maybe even less on the Intel setup, for equivalent gaming performance.
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Dirtyworks-
Thanks for the pictures! Though they don't actually apply here. The OP has made it clear that he values the ability to overclock more than software performance (BF3 fps).
    
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Dirtyworks-
Thanks for the pictures! Though they don't actually apply here. The OP has made it clear that he values the ability to overclock more than software performance (BF3 fps).


Are you insinuating having a overclocked 6300 is losing performance?

I find it hilarious that Intel fans are so blinded by fanaticism, that they will recommend a CPU like a i3 over a 6300. 6300 will stomp the i3 hands down. Yet they cost around the same?......

Overclocking is a priority for him, as he said.

Also, 1155 is a dead socket AM3+ is not, why recommend a lesser CPU on a dead socket? headscratch.gif
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Are you insinuating having a overclocked 6300 is losing performance?
I find it hilarious that Intel fans are so blinded by fanaticism, that they will recommend a CPU like a i3 over a 6300. 6300 will stomp the i3 hands down. Yet they cost around the same?......
Overclocking is a priority for him, as he said.
Also, 1155 is a dead socket AM3+ is not, why recommend a lesser CPU on a dead socket? headscratch.gif
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Are you insinuating having a overclocked 6300 is losing performance?

He's not saying anything of the sort, nor do I see how one could even interpret his statement that way.

He is simply reiterating that the OP wants to OC, so may favor an unlocked setup more than a locked one, even if the latter did have similar, or lesser, performance.
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Overclocking is a priority for him, as he said.

Which is exactly what MrFred just said.
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I find it hilarious that Intel fans are so blinded by fanaticism, that they will recommend a CPU like a i3 over a 6300. 6300 will stomp the i3 hands down. Yet they cost around the same?......

One person mentioned an i3 as a possible alternative, and while an i3, taken by itself, is overall much inferior in performance to an equally priced Vishera, there are other factors to consider.

Also, I'm not seeing much evidence of anyone blinded by fanatacism, except maybe m0bius, who attempts to counter easily verifiable facts with outdated opinion and flawed conventional wisdom.

Many of the Intel users here own AMD systems as well, and most are more than willing to acknowledge AMD's legitamate strengths. I personally own multiple Phenom IIs and an FX-8150 (with no regrets). You'll never catch me saying that Vishera FXes aren't competitive in many scenarios.

Call me out on any specific point I've made, and I will provide independent verification of it.
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Also, 1155 is a dead socket AM3+ is not, why recommend a lesser CPU on a dead socket? headscratch.gif

We have little inkling of how Steamroller will compare to current chips, and Ivy parts compare well with Vishera. LGA-1155 being "dead" is only true in the sense than no new architectures will be released on it, which is immaterial. In the end, AM3+ may or may not have decisively better CPUs than LGA-1155.

As for why people would advocate it over an AM3+ FX-6300 setup, one only needs to look at overclocked power consumption figures.

Power consumption directly determines the cooling and VRM quality you need. Most LGA-1155 parts sip power, especially anywhere near stock. This means you do not need big expensive VRMs, nor large coolers. The same cannot be said for Vishera, which while certainly an improvement over Bulldozer, still guzzles power at significant OCs, and this means that boards and cooling need to be more expensive if you want them to last.

Back in the Phenom II vs. LGA-1366/1156 days, power consumption was a lot closer, and suitable Intel boards did tend to be more expensive (except in the case of i3s). This is no longer the case, unless one seriously sacrifices relative quality on the AM3+ boards, or insists on piles of largely unnecessary features on the 1155 boards.

Moving to a new socket when you upgrade is also of little consequence if you are only spending 50-80 dollars on a board.
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Are you insinuating having a overclocked 6300 is losing performance?

No.
    
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