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Didn't know if I should be posting this here or small form factor. But since this is going to be set up as a dedicated backup server it seems better here. biggrin.gif

I plan on building some machines that will spin up a customers server virtually in case of any issues that take down 1 or multiple servers. Here is the hardware I currently have planned out:

Case: Node 304
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352027


Motherboard: JetWay JNF9A-Q67 - Dual Nics and 6 sata ports
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153222

Power supply: Corsair CX430
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

Processor: Ivy bridge i5 or i7 (depending on customers needs)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

Memory : 16GB G.SKILL Ares
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231558

SSD boot drive: Crucial M4 128GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148442

Data drives: Western Digital RE Enterprise Drives ( 2, 3, or 4TB depending on customer needs)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236352




The OS is going to be Server 2012 for some of the drive pooling features. I was originally gonna go with the Lian Li Q25 but the node just came out and looks a little sleeker IMO. http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1038574295&postcount=107
Edited by Reptile - 12/21/12 at 10:47am
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If this is for data storage, what are you using for the storage pools? Ideally a good hardware raid card should be on order. Also, what are your customers doing that this smallish server needs 16 GB ram. Running hyper-v? What is the purpose of the SSD? If it's a small business, the I/O won't be high, so could be some cost cutting measures there. Also, what about long term or archival backup? Are they planning to keep things for 1,2, or 3 years? That would dictate a look into tape solutions. What's the DR plan? Do they have some offsite data storage they can use, or have you even thought of it? What backup product will be used on the client end? Are there other servers that need a backup client as well? How many other services is the Server 2012 box going to be supplying?
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If this is for data storage, what are you using for the storage pools? Ideally a good hardware raid card should be on order. Also, what are your customers doing that this smallish server needs 16 GB ram. Running hyper-v? What is the purpose of the SSD? If it's a small business, the I/O won't be high, so could be some cost cutting measures there. Also, what about long term or archival backup? Are they planning to keep things for 1,2, or 3 years? That would dictate a look into tape solutions. What's the DR plan? Do they have some offsite data storage they can use, or have you even thought of it? What backup product will be used on the client end? Are there other servers that need a backup client as well? How many other services is the Server 2012 box going to be supplying?

These will not be operating as main servers for customers. These will be taking image backups with shadowprotect which uses virtual box to bring up a downed server. The 16GB of ram would be allocated to those VM's and the SSD would be used for the OS and programs while the data drives would be in a software raid.

So pretty much it would be used as a NAS for backups with the ability to virtualize their server if needed. Sorry I should have added more to the OP. Thanks
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I don't know anything about ShadowProtect...but it's a backup software I have never heard of before and you are talking about having offline backups of VMs ready to pop online when another dies.

Why bother with Server 2012 if you will be running *gulp* VirtualBox? With Server 2012, and the new Hyper-V 3.0...Microsoft released a feature called Hyper-V Replica, which will do exactly what you want (assuming the original server that died was a VM). Hyper-V Replica won't do much good for a source machine that's physical, of course...but in that case I would highly recommend using Double-Take Availability (by Vision Solutions) which can replicate Physical to Virtual, and in the case the Physical dies you hit the failover button and the VM is then online.
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I use VirtualBox for personal use, but I would never use it in a customer based environment.
    
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I have to agree with the above posts. I recommend sticking with Hyper-V or a VMWare solution for any commercial use. No need to install a hypervisor on top of an OS that has one built in.

While SSDs are great, SAS would be a better choice for a server. And only having one drive for the OS would be mistake. RAID 1 should me the minimum for server OS drives.

Also if the budget allows, get server grade components for the server due to better reliabilty and support options.
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I have to agree with the above posts. I recommend sticking with Hyper-V or a VMWare solution for any commercial use. No need to install a hypervisor on top of an OS that has one built in.
While SSDs are great, SAS would be a better choice for a server. And only having one drive for the OS would be mistake. RAID 1 should me the minimum for server OS drives.
Also if the budget allows, get server grade components for the server due to better reliabilty and support options.

While I do agree with all of this, it really comes down to business need...and budget. Yes, your OS should be at least a RAID 1...that you need to change. Regarding SAS, NL-SAS would be just fine since this is a temporary backup solution, not a full time HyperVisor. NL-SAS are much cheaper too. However, since you plan to put this onboard without a real HBA, SATA seems to be the best option...regardless if it's Spindle or SSD. With that in mind, I would definitely stay away from using the onboard RAID 5...and use the onboard RAID 10 instead. Avoid parity RAID with onboard/firmware controllers.
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While I do agree with all of this, it really comes down to business need...and budget. Yes, your OS should be at least a RAID 1...that you need to change. Regarding SAS, NL-SAS would be just fine since this is a temporary backup solution, not a full time HyperVisor. NL-SAS are much cheaper too. However, since you plan to put this onboard without a real HBA, SATA seems to be the best option...regardless if it's Spindle or SSD. With that in mind, I would definitely stay away from using the onboard RAID 5...and use the onboard RAID 10 instead. Avoid parity RAID with onboard/firmware controllers.

Ok so I wanted to talk my coworker who would be doing the software to confirm as I will be just building the hardware mostly.

We use Storagecraft (Shadow Protect) with all of our customers and Shadowprotect uses virtualbox and I believe they can also use VMware but like you said its more of a $$ issue as we do support for small business and they wont want to spend all that much. Virtualbox is the free option so that's what we are going with.

Remember these won't be production servers. Just a temporary solution until we fix their main server(s)

So you guys all responded about the backup software etc. but what about the hardware? I'll be handling that part :-)

As far as raid 1 for the OS. I guess I need to know how server 2012 would work with the OS drive going down and having to restore the other data drives from a drive pool to a new OS/boot drive. We wouldn't be using the onboard raid at all unless we need to do raid 1 for the OS. And if we did it would probably be better to go with non SSD?

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