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Originally Posted by Art Vanelay View Post

Actually, higher grade panels, like the dell U3011, tend to have more of a latency, since their color depth is significantly greater. That's at least the correlation that I see between color reproduction and ability to game.

The U3011 might be high end to you and me, but it's basically an entry level panel for graphics designers. Aside from the fact that there are much better panels for that market alone, there are a lot of other markets, such as monitors for industrial equipment, monitors for medical imaging devices, monitors for aircraft, etc. In some of those industries, good response time and image quality makes the difference between saving lives vs causing a tragedy that will appear on tomorrow's news headlines.

The monitors used in many of those industries cost more than a new car, but if you want the best of the best, you gotta pay for the privilege smile.gif I suppose that CRTs still achieve the best balance of image quality/response time at consumer (as opposed to enterprise/government) budgets, but hey, the OP might be a millionaire for all we know.
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Which models have the fastest response times with the max image quality? Money no object.
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Which models have the fastest response times with the max image quality? Money no object.
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Which models have the fastest response times with the max image quality? Money no object.

So $5-6k for a 24" is good?
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I've changed and never looked back.

Btw, a Kuro produces better picture quality and more bang than an FW900 when calibrated correctly. And a Panasonic VT50 comes very, very close. You have to remember, the longer you have your CRT, the longer the phosphors will degrade.

And as for LCD's, NEC and LaCIe have some solid offerings. They might be a bit beyond your price point though.
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What did you think of the IPS panels you tried
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Just remember the caps on the board degrade over time especially if they are not turned on for some time ...I don't the think the fly-back has that problem though so I would fire up the one in the closet from time to time. I have a buddy that repairs arcade machines...takes 10 -20 years but could happen sooner I suppose.
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What did you think of the IPS panels you tried

I've had 3 lcd monitors. The absolute best was - and i had to look the model#'s up - an NEC 90GX2 i got in like 2005. It is a 19" non WS. I don't know the panel type, it's not in the literature, probably TN i assume. But overall it had the best image and performance.

I sold it to my brother and he still has it. He got a Samsung WS a few years back and runs them side by side. The NEC still looks way better by comparison. The dot pitch is a little noticeable (to me), but it apparently has a 4ms response time, at the time i never noticed any lag or ghosting with it. Viewing angles had no anomalies, i suppose it being a 4:3 monitor helps in the way you can't get a long angle on it. It has a gloss screen ( which is something i have to have ) with what they call Opticlear coating on it. It may not represent pro color but for whatever reason the colors really pop on it. I think it might have a yellow tint like those sunglasses that are yellow that make real world colors pop. Blacks are crt black, or as close as i've ever seen on an lcd. I mean i came from a 22" crt to that back then, and besides it being smaller i loved it.

Later enter the advent of widescreen coming on the market at a reasonable consumer level, my friend bought a Samsung BW 22 inch TN, the ones that came out that ended up where people became aware of the "panel lottery".
At the time, i had no idea about response times panel types ect. Coming from the NEC i had no clue there would be any difference. But anyway his looked pretty good. So i went and bought one a few months later, and mine was not the same, it was horrible. But other than seeing his occasionally and not real user experience with it, i didn't really know what to expect. Mine had bad colors, bad refresh, (screen would flicker when using the scroll wheel, chitty view angle ( that i wasn't aware of view angle before. Anyway my friend was my roommate so i checked them out thoroughly side by side, then began reading up on this stuff, found out about the panel lottery and realized i got one of the bad ones. I returned it in in a few days.

Now aware, i was skeptical to purchase anything new, i had my NEC so... But anyway once you see widescreen, it's hard to not want it. Being very happy with my NEC, i looked into what they had to offer in widescreens, long story short...er i ended up getting the 20WMGX2 that was getting a lot of accolades. It was pretty nice - it was widescreen and had the same opticlear gloss screen and sexy look of the 90GX2, had a lot of features, and had an IPS screen. It was - ok - however it introduced lag in the response time, and it just got to me, that and it had the purple ish hue to blacks. I ended up saying screw lcd's after much research, and picked up an fw900 locally, problems solved, and then thinking that lcd's looked like they were just going to remain the same for a long time without much innovation, i immediately bought another full refurbed fw900 for backup.

I've seen a few monitors here and there that looked alright when it has a static picture on it, they look good, but once there's any movement it goes down hill. The ghosting - trailing and blurry effect that happens when you turn in games ect i can't deal with. It feels like my vision is going bad, and i'm no doctor, but it doesn't seem like it's good for your eyes. Also, I don't care for any lcd's with the Ag coating, i really hate it. I know everyone has their preference, but a gloss screen is a must for me. My computer room is always blacked out so i never get any glare anyway.

I'm pretty picky about image quality, color, refresh and response, as i guess most of you are, being that these sub forums exist. I notice everyone seems to have some preference and that some things some people complain about don't bother others, but those others have some other complaint.

I was thinking earlier i'm surprised a lot of the really good tech review sites like tft and prad don't just give up on doing all the hardcore testing as for the last 8 years or so, it's always the same thing over and over. Nothing's really going to change fundamentally since business is business and as long as people are buying them up, they aren't going to do anything drastic in terms of innovation.

For lcd my ideal monitor, as i'm sure would be the same for the most part for everyone else in this forums would be.

Full color reproduction/quality contrast-no banding in gradients
Zero latency/Input lag
No ghosting or trailing
Higher refresh rates beyond 60hz
Quality resolution scaling
Perfect View Angles
Good Dot pitch (.24 or lower)
*Personal pref : Edge to Edge Glass

All that said, the first thing i look for when i look at them is: Does it have a gloss screen.

Doesn't look like any of that is going to happen with the tech they continue to use, and as long as people keep buying them.
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These are your two options ; Catleap comes with no warranty and nothing regarding dead pixels [you might get one, and you can't do anything about it]

overlord tempests have A-grade panels for sale and have a no dead pixel warranty.


Both are IPS, 2560x1440 Resolution, 120Hz refresh rate [make sure you pick the right monitors, Overlord has both 60 and 120hz offerings)





Disregard all the ignorant* statements in this thread, 120Hz, High resolution IPS monitors do exist.

*Ignorant was not meant in a pejorative fashion, simply meant as "unaware of current information"

I just put aside my Achieva Shimian and hooked up my Overlord Tempest XC27OC and currently sitting at 120hz with the lovely 2560x1440 resolution......gaming bliss.
    
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