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post #31 of 40
Cheers (+rep).
I would go with Option 2 - Solidworks just loses a load of features when you don't have a WsGPU. Any Workstation card is an advantage in Solidworks.
post #32 of 40
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Originally Posted by 267267123 View Post

OP, you might want to take a look at Quadro. It is miles better than the gaming cards for professional apps. The specs don't seem like much, and the price seems high, but you're actually paying for the drivers. the pro-grade drivers are AMAZING for pro apps. Not so good for gaming though.

This seems like something that would be of interest to me. I do about 80% work 20% play on my machine, and the bulk of it is rendering meshes and 3D environments in Matlab. Solidworks is an occasional tool for me, though I feel that the 3D environments I use Matlab for could also benefit from the professional card. I will look into adding a cheap professional card on top of the gaming card I think, since the build you suggested above came in around budget (and looks very nice by the way), thanks for this! smile.gif

P.s. If you celebrate it, Merry Christmas!
Edited by ikiar - 12/25/12 at 12:27pm
post #33 of 40
Solid REALLY benefits from a pro card. I don't know if AMD is good for Matlab, though I'm pretty sure it's OK for Solidworks. Quadro is good for all pro apps, but there's a price premium, so if FirePro works well, you can save money. AMD likes to use red PCB on their cards though, so it would ruin the aesthetics frown.gif Then again, it seems Nvidia likes green PCB frown.gif

The 5900 is a little aged, but it's one of the best values.
http://www.amazon.com/ATI-FirePro-V5900-2DisplayPort-PCI-Express/dp/B00535CDXO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1356471796&sr=8-2&keywords=firepro

The Quadro 4000 is about the area of Nvidia I recommend you go, after that it's just charging you for more VRAM and incremental core upgrades. The Quadro 2000 is OK. Still, $700 for the 4000 is a big investment with a lot of payoff if you can use the additional horsepower. If not, the 2000 is the way to go.
http://www.amazon.com/PNY-DisplayPort-Profesional-Graphics-VCQ4000-PB/dp/B003X26T70/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1356471955&sr=8-3&keywords=Quadro
http://www.amazon.com/PNY-DisplayPort-Profesional-Graphics-VCQ2000-PB/dp/B0046HSHD0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1356471955&sr=8-4&keywords=Quadro

Like I said, the only reason you get a professional card is for their drivers. If those drivers don't play nice with your specific programs, you have no choice but to go with Nvidia. You can opt for a Kepler-based K5000, though I hear mixed reviews about the increased price and the benefit over Fermi. But chances are, you don't need anything more than a $500 card. If you work with 10 million or more polygons, you NEED the Quadro 4000. With 0-5 million, you should be perfect with the Quadro 2000 or FirePro 5900, provided the FirePro plays nice with your specific apps.
Edited by 267267123 - 12/25/12 at 2:01pm
post #34 of 40
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So what I would be thinking if I get a professional card would be to go for the Quadro 2000, since $700 is quite an investment. If I were to just buy a gaming card at first and try it out when I build my computer, then decide whether or not I opt to add the 2000, that would be an easy addition to make to the computer, correct? I would just have to connect and mount the new card to the motherboard and case, and then connect the two via SLI?

EDIT: I realized you cannot SLI two cards which are not the same, so how would I implement both cards?
Edited by ikiar - 12/25/12 at 2:51pm
post #35 of 40
That sounds like a great idea. You should be able to just install both cards and let them do their thing. When you install drivers for each of the cards, it will detect the GPU you have. It should make allowances to install the correct drivers for each of the two cards. It SHOULD. It may not. In fact, with a 7970, you may not need a pro card anyways for sheer rendering power. However, pro cards unlock a myriad of advanced options and tools in most programs. If a gaming card can handle rendering, then great. If not, you have to try a combination. If the drivers assign themselves to the correct cards and they play nice together, technically the 7970 should be able to help a pro card compute. SLI is only one method of increasing rendering power called alternate frame rendering. This in theory doubles frames by alternating the frames to render on each GPU. There are a few other ways both of increasing frame rates and computing with multiple processors that don't involve AFR. Theoretically, you can CF/SLI any card. However, the companies put restrictions in place in the drivers so people wouldn't be slowed down by one very strong GPU and one weak one. When you don't use AMD/Nvidia's multi-GPU drivers, you aren't bound by these restrictions, so any card should be able help out the other to some extent in AFR and to an amazing extent in sheer compute power.

PS: Merry Christmas to you as well. Still Christmas here in Hawaii for two more hours. Time zones are strange creatures.
Edited by 267267123 - 12/26/12 at 12:03am
post #36 of 40
noise and size restraints are a factor as well. a good quiet build which would be on the small size would be a micro-atx motherboard in a silverstone temjin TJ08-e case. I dont see any reason to get anything bigger than micro-atx at all, unless you need more than four slots (or three if you use a single dual-slot video card, or two if you use two dual-slot video cards)

you might consider going under water if you need it to be more quiet. I keep a 3570k and a gtx 580 under 60 degrees while folding with the fans on low in the winter, on high in the summer, and my build is in the case i listed above. there are a lot of case and motherboard options for different size builds too.

dont underestimate the annoyingness of a massive tower. i ended up tearing my old build down because i couldnt stand how big it was anymore.
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post #37 of 40
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In the spirit of the holidays, I've done a little bit of Boxing Day shopping and picked up the following two things:

SSD: SanDisk Extreme 240GB 2.5in SSD SATA3 SDSSDX-240G-G25 Solid State Drive $160 (Reg $215)
PSU: Corsair CX Series CX750 750W ATX 12V 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply Active PFC Fan 140mm Fan $50 ($Reg $172)

Total: $210 (Reg $387)

Thoughts on the pickups? smile.gif
Edited by ikiar - 12/26/12 at 12:26pm
post #38 of 40
Well, no way was the CX750 regular anything over $80. The CX series is pretty cheap and reliable. $50 is a great deal though. The Sandisk has been on sale for a while now at $160. It's a great deal for a SF-2281 SSD. If NCIX was selling the CX750 for $172 before, they were robbing people. Most likely, they just post a high "retail price" to make the product look cheap.
post #39 of 40
Thinking about getting the same SSD for my brother. It's no Samsung Pro.. but it's not bad.

As for the PSU, CWT's CX line is average at best. I speak mainly towards the cx430, 500, & 600. Can't say I know much about the 750 especially if it's a new revision.
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post #40 of 40
All the CX PSUs are new revisions. They still sell the old generation, but the new ones have V2 after the SKU.
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