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Recalling the lectures I had, it actually does make sense. I remember one lecturer saying that bacterial overgrowth in our gut could deplete all vitamin B12 before it reached terminal ileum. Due to our inherent need to consume vitamin B and C daily, if we develop a chronic lack thereof, we may be impairing our cell's energy generation potential.
Our cells require approximately 6 micrograms of each vitamin B form to generate 1000kcal of energy from stored fat.
There also was a Turkish scientist that stated the metabolic syndrome was a disease rather than a body phenotype. It... all... makes... sense... now.
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Another excuse for lazy fat people: " I can't get fit, I have bacteria ".
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I recently lost 50lbs with good ol exercise and modified but healthy eating.

But that doesn't work for everyone. Many people do need medical help.
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The fact that two people of the exact same weight can be put on an identical diet down to the crumb and will respond differently makes that thought process fundamentally flawed. There are obviously other factors that determine caloric usage while idle.

At the end of the day if your calories out exceeds calories in you will lose weight whether or not you eat it in one meal or 16. His post is actually correct. There's plenty of threads on the bodybuilding.com fat loss forum if you would like to research further.
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At the end of the day if your calories out exceeds calories in you will lose weight whether or not you eat it in one meal or 16. His post is actually correct. There's plenty of threads on the bodybuilding.com fat loss forum if you would like to research further.

Well obviously that's true. You used different wording. Calories used compared to calories consumed varies from person to person based on metabolism and other factors, perhaps including this bacteria. The point I was making is that, while consumption is obviously a factor, it's far from the only factor.

He said eating one large meal a day is no different than eating six smaller ones. A person's metabolism slows going to the one meal route, so there obviously is a difference. You burn more calories even while sitting idly this way.
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I recently lost 50lbs with good ol exercise and modified but healthy eating.
But that doesn't work for everyone. Many people do need medical help.

I have studied health and fitness my whole life, and I have never found "Many people do need medical help." I found the opposite, that it is extremely rare for one to need medical help to lose weight. Its not a complicated topic. Losing weight is only about calorie deficit; losing weight is really that simple for everyone. The only other things that matter are determination, and dedication.
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guys, please note that the mice were still fed a rich diet. this may contribute to obesity, but i still doubt that it's the main cause in people that are obese. i used to be 300 pounds, i lost 100 pounds through going on something called Protein Sparing Modified Fast. basically you eat about 1200 calories worth of protein and nothing else (of course there is a few things that you have to read up on, such as fish oil pills and vitamin supplements during this rather extreme diet) and mild exercise (such as playing a game or two of basketball with some friends at the park everyday)

i FIRMLY believe that the only real way to lose weight is through hard work and a healthy diet.
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Well obviously that's true. You used different wording. Calories used compared to calories consumed varies from person to person based on metabolism and other factors, perhaps including this bacteria. The point I was making is that, while consumption is obviously a factor, it's far from the only factor.
He said eating one large meal a day is no different than eating six smaller ones. A person's metabolism slows going to the one meal route, so there obviously is a difference. You burn more calories even while sitting idly this way.
Not true, look up the concept of intermittent fasting and the research/studies done about meal timing, meal frequency and thermogenics.

edit: here I'll link a couple
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22719910
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The fact that two people of the exact same weight can be put on an identical diet down to the crumb and will respond differently makes that thought process fundamentally flawed. There are obviously other factors that determine caloric usage while idle.
Explain how that makes my argument fundamentally flawed. The amount of energy you should be consuming is all dependent on your basal metabolic rate and activity levels. The quantity that you consume will lead you to put on weight, maintain your current weight, or lose weight. This fact does not change for human beings that function normally. Having identical diets for two different people does not make sense when you have different metabolisms.

The ACTUAL quantity of energy that should be consumed for your goal of weight gain, maintenance or weight loss is dependent on the individual.

In other words, that's the way it's been found to work through current research, so I'm skeptical of this new idea of obesity-causing bacteria. The reason most people find it hard to lose fat is because they don't do proper research themselves on how it works. They just believe the conventional wisdom that's usually incorrect.
Edited by Arnotts - 12/23/12 at 7:49am
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Not true, look up the concept of intermittent fasting and the research/studies done about meal timing, meal frequency and thermogenics.
edit: here I'll link a couple
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22719910
Explain how that makes my argument fundamentally flawed. The amount of energy you should be consuming is all dependent on your basal metabolic rate and activity levels. The quantity that you consume will lead you to put on weight, maintain your current weight, or lose weight. This fact does not change for human beings that function normally. Having identical diets for two different people does not make sense when you have different metabolisms.
The ACTUAL quantity of energy that should be consumed for your goal of weight gain, maintenance or weight loss is dependent on the individual.
In other words, that's the way it's been found to work through current research, so I'm skeptical of this new idea of obesity-causing bacteria. The reason most people find it hard to lose fat is because they don't do proper research themselves on how it works. They just believe the conventional wisdom that's usually incorrect.

While I'm not familiar with studies about "intermittent fasting," any studies and advice I've ever read or heard said exactly what I said: that fewer meals, especially one meal, a day leads to a slowing of a person's metabolism. I think that's pretty widely accepted. I'll read up on what you mentioned, but I'm still going to believe that for now.

As for the second portion of your post, all you did was corroborate exactly what I said. What you originally said was flawed because you used intake as an equal to usage. Two people can be the same starting weight and do the same activities each day, but the two will not stay the same weight if you put them on identical diets. Estimating calories to match the activity of a person gives a bit of a ballpark, but it's in no way an exact science. There are other processes going on within the body that vary by genetics and perhaps other factors that determine a person's metabolism and absorption.

But you're absolutely right now. The "quantity of energy" consumed is dependent on the individual.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2183677/Why-starvation-diet-actually-good--make-live-longer.html

This explains why intermittent fasting may be good. However, it doesn't state whether dramatically decreasing calories per day by eating very small meals or eating one meal per day is more effective.

It does say however that overall people should strive not simply to be thin but to be as thin as possible without being underweight. Sounds counterintuitive (especially in America where a lot of the time we hear about being "acceptance" on the issue). However studies in other mammals have shown that those who are the thinnest without being unhealthy live the longest, and have lower risk of cancer and chronic diseases.
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