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Originally Posted by 5entinel View Post

Because, things like calorie counting is just silly, impractical and near next to impossible to figure out. There is no way of determining how much energy you "consume", in a day. There are a great deal of variables that come into play.Your genetics,your lifestyle, the food you eat, the time you eat it, your age, your gender...etc...

It doesn't take long (maybe a month, max) to find your maintenance through trial and error. It's not as if you have a very tight window to work with...+ / - 500 calories (depending on whether you want to lose or gain) is more than acceptable. Calorie counting isn't silly, and it's far more reliable than just "eating less/or healthier" and hoping for the best.

And genetics have jack all to do with your bodyfat %.

Edit: You don't necessarily have to eat less, either. You can eat at maintenance, or slightly above and then do some cardio. (Problem is though people think they burn more more calories than they actually do)
Edited by GameBoy - 12/24/12 at 6:32pm
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post #102 of 203
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Originally Posted by SCollins View Post

I raced bmx 4 days a week, practiced 7 nights a week, rode 10 miles a day and I could not loose the 20 lbs I desperately needed to loss to get to a competitive wieght. Not that I am a mammoth, but I was pretty fit, I would have easily socred in the 90+% in the presidents physical fitness test that year. In fact I made the 98th% every year I was in school, without effort.
So, obviously something happened.

you didn't limit your portions enough. people that excercize a lot tend to eat a lot, which you have to take into account
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I'm not overweight, but I admit Im not that fit and have a little bit of a gut, hopefully Ill get around to fixing that. But theres a simple reason why, I simply dont exercise enough, at all really except for walking to go places (live in NY so i do a bit of that), and I have a pretty crappy diet.

While I agree its not really nice to call people "fatties", because insulting people never helps, it MOST LIKELY is because they have a lazy lifestyle and eat too much/bad foods. It is very rare for a person to have one of those disorders that makes them fat, and theres a huge stigma on people who are overweight which is why they say things like that.

Many peoples jobs are spent sitting down at a desk or not being very active, and people have to realize that you have to go out of your way to exercise. Growing up I realize many people just dont like to make changes in their lifes or do things outside of the normal routine, but unless youre a construction worker, or a nomad or something, you have to allocate time for the gym or some exercise. People always look at the people who eat like crap and have perfect bodies, but if you actually look around, they represent A VERY small portion of humans. Everyone wants to be the lucky guy or girl, instead of working for it. I blame this on the huge celebrity culture in America.

However living in a place like America I can see why people are overweight. Being an engineering student in college I dont have time or money to eat that healthily, and all the cheap available food 99% of the time is absolute crap. But its better than starving to death. Seriously if you want to have a healthy lunch you have to spend so much money, or travel far away (fast food is much more available), or spend time making it yourself. Sure when I graduate and have a full time career, Ill probably be able to afford to eat healthy foods and prepare nutritious meals, but the habits in many people start young, and its because its just so hard to get a healthy meal.
post #104 of 203
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Originally Posted by perfectblade View Post

you didn't limit your portions enough. people that excercize a lot tend to eat a lot, which you have to take into account

I eat the same number of caloaries I have since i turned 20, about 6500 a day, and basically, I haven't gianed or lost any wieght in 15 years. I just have this belly that popped out one day, and it refuses to leave. I have tried all manner of diet and excersize. 235lbs must be my magic wieght, but most of my friends refer to me as being built like a tank, I have a 44inch chest. I am a big brawny german guy and I geuss the belly comes with the turf, what ever. I can dead lift hundreds of pounds.I am on my feet 60 hours a week and I walk like 5 miules a day , we have a huge facility.
post #105 of 203
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Originally Posted by aroc91 View Post

Not necessarily an overuptake of sugars, but an imbalance can definitely cause micronutrient deficiencies.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015081505.htm

I was meaning the bacteria won't eat sugars or carbs nearly as much. Especially artificial sugar, which relates to us as adding pounds. Sugar, in it's purer forms is a known preservative. So it makes sense bacteria don't exactly love it, though I'm guessing the stomach isn't highly saturated so it might add for more bacteria food. I wasn't really thinking earlier, still am not full speed as I'm now really tired. Either way, malnutrition causes the body to put on weight. So it isn't hard to believe that fast growing bacteria could be very bad for the digestion system. That was my main point, I'm sticking with that. wink.gif lol

[edit] Didn't read the other posts but there is a lot of bad information and I'm going to try and rectify that. I'm not going to get into the bacteria side, as that's not one of my more known subjects. Can't believe I didn't think of sugars in low saturation being a huge food source. Man, I learned that early with cultivation of bacteria. I was actually thinking of using certain sugars to harvest bacteria that was high in nitrates, for other food (plant ect...) but never got around to that. Anywho, I digress...

To those thinking on how you guess your calorie intake, it isn't hard AT ALL. On average, without exercise the average male consumes about 2500 calories a day. We have charts, even full blown books, dedicated to figuring out how many calories you burn doing specific activities. Walking, standing, running, are all known within margin of error for certain body sizes and body fat contents.

Take me, 6" and 155lbs. I can figure out my body fat (roughly) through certain body measurements. I can then take that body fat percent, use it to figure out my obvious muscle density. With that, we can then use those said charts/books and figure out how many calories I would burn doing a 1 mile walk. I could figure out what I burn standing all day at work. What I burn sitting around at home, even what I burn sleeping.

No, it's not hard at all. Tip o' the day: The average male burns ~1000 calories sleeping.

Also, weight gain is not genetic unless you have a stomach condition or a few (FEW!) medical conditions that affect metabolism. Most of those aren't even directly from the medical condition but rather the side effects of the treatments. I would say it's a high chance that your obesity, if you are so, is due to your own habits. The stomach itself breaks down nutrients the same way from body to body. The only major factor playing there would be nutrient abortion from one stomach to the other. However that is going to be minimal, as most absorption is done automatically due to some biological "rules". I won't get into that, don't care.

People who exercise a lot don't exactly eat a lot. it depends on what you do, what part of the body you are working on. A body builder is going to take in less carbs than a swimmer or runner, they are working more on bulk. However you will want more protein intake if you want to do that, to keep muscle mass up as well as continue to build more.

This isn't old news, it isn't new news. It is the same concept as before the article. This article just shows insight to those people who eat the same and burn the same as another person but gets less results. They may have to burn more, while eating the same, to get similar results. Either way the method for burning fat effectively remains the same. Plan out your carb/calorie/protein/ect... intake as well as what you burn. Eat healthy and exercise. This just means those people who have a harder time might get it easier.
Edited by mushroomboy - 12/24/12 at 7:43pm
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post #106 of 203
Can't we all just go back to being computer experts again?
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I couldn't get my body fat percentage low enough, Right now I am 5"9 about 235, and if I got down to a reasonable body fat of 12-14% "what I was the years I scored 98%, I'd be happy with that. Thats a pretty good number. If I got down to 12-14%, I'd still iwegh 205-195lbs though, maybe.
But I'd still like to loose the belly fat, and regardless of what I have tried in the past, it won't go. Which is odd, becuase I never had the prolbme till I got in my mid 20's.

Smaller portions would probably be the easiest thing to stick with. Eat whatever it is you're eating now, just don't finish it all like you normally would. I almost hate to use it as an example, but notice there were no heavy people in the concentration camps. If you cut back on the food enough while staying active like you do, you'll lose weight. Just don't go to one meal a day like someone else said. Keep the fire stoked. Eat normally like you already do, just eat less at each meal or snack. If you have to throw a little bit of it away, oh well. It makes no difference really whether or not it comes out your pooper or gets eaten by seagulls at the dump.
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I dare all of you to post your dumb ideas of how weight loss works in the bodybuilding.com MISC section and not get trolled all to hell.
Getting fat happens when you eat more food in calories than you burn in a day. That simple. Now, not saying bacteria couldn't effect it, but not to the degree that makes it impossible to lose weight. Some people here have grasped the concept that calories in = calories out

I am a misc member since 2005...so all you nerds saying random nonsense are saying just that...random nonsense
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this is seriously interesting stuff. me and a lot of my friends are fitness devotees (amateur bodybuilding) and it's a fact that some of them- regardless of diet- can't seem to burn off excess fat for the life of them. they gain the size and strength but that childhood adipose tissue never seems to leave. though I don't know where this research will lead to, but I can only guess it'll allow for real drugs to hit the market which actually works against obese-genetics.

I don't know why it is taking medical science so long to produce an anti obese pill. They have pills to give your grandfather a boner. Why is a pill to lose weight so hard to figure out?
Edited by Silkworm75 - 12/24/12 at 8:59pm
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I don't know why it is taking medical science so long to produce an anti obese pill. They have pills to give your grandfather a boner. Why is a pill to lose weight so hard to figure out?
Because those are two completely different things and enhancing nitric oxide flow to the nether regions is much easier than screwing with the human metabolism of nutrients just so people can justify treating their bodies like crap.
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