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Thats why i'm eating healthier and starting wuth daily cycling/some weights at the gym. Some lliptical work too. I could stand to lose ~40-50 probably, but running just kills my ankles right now frown.gif too heavy i think.
I think being 'bigger' also has hurt my immune system as i've been more sick in the past 1.5 years than most of my life. I used to never get sick frown.giffrown.gif . Ther is a lot to it all though, and doing just one thing isn't enough to get anyone in shape from a bad spot.
For example, I lead a low activity lifestyle and have a desk job. I've also been heavy for a few years now. I'll need to keep my healthier diet and start working out almost daily to see any real change in coming months.
Due to broken hand, my upper body work is limited though frown.gif but i can still do lower body machines/bike/ellipctical smile.gif Too many people, myself included, get discouraged at not seeing immediate results in a week or two. It's hard to make such a large adjustment to daily exercise... especially for a gamer with a full time job tongue.gif lol. But, due to broken hand in my case, no gaming anyways, so why not work out biggrin.gif
People DO need support though, and a lot of what i see in here and everywhere is a complete lack of that. It's sad really.

you do have a personal trainer to help you with those problems right?
That's what they're paid to do and that's their main clients. People like you who dunno what exercises to do but have this injury and this concern etc...
Their main clients ARE NOT the people who answer 'yes'; to 'Do you even lift?'. It's Moms and Pops.
Qualified personal trainers have to know human anatomy and of course nutrition.
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What is considered the "norm" for losing weight? I'm intrigued. Also, why does it not work for you?

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Just a thought here, I don't have much time to look up the source I really wanted to find, I've got it somewhere on my computer at home. But the more I've read about milk, the less I believe it's really necessary or even healthy for us to drink. I'm no nutritionist, but personally I've given up drinking milk (and other food and drink) and instead take supplements to complement my diet.
Pretty sure the "norm" for losing weight is eating right and exercise. As a matter of fact, I've never met a single person that couldn't lose weight with the proper diet and exercise. Granted, not everyone's diet is the same, but if you want to become healthier you need to eat correctly and exercise. So I don't think it's the "norm" for losing weight, I think diet and exercise are the only ways to lose weight.
Also, I hate this notion that people throw around that "all" Americans are fat and lazy slobs, and we all eat horrible/empty foods. I mean, sure we have fat people, but show me a country that doesn't have fat people. Do we have more than most, I suppose it's possible. I don't really read up on nutrition statistics throughout the world. But sweeping generalizations about nations is really annoying, I don't understand why people feel the need to throw everyone into the same category.
Something to think about with running. When I first started running my knees and ankles were killing me, and I couldn't figure out why. I wasn't terribly heavy, certainly not enough for the weight alone to be causing me this much pain. I went to a running store that was recommended to me by a friend, and found out that I pronate when I run. I dropped some money on some running shoes designed to be tight and for pronating people, and it was a world of difference. Literally, I was simply astounded at the difference between the two pairs of shoes. So I would go to a dedicated running store and hop on their treadmill, and see what they think. I realize that your results might be different than mine, but I think it's worth a shot. I was on the treadmill for about 2 minutes, just walking, and they knew what I needed. They had a good price selection, I started off with cheaper (~$60USD) but when I found out how well they worked I started buying more expensive shoes that were even better.
Also, something to think about for upper body strength, is to attach weights to your arms while on the elliptical machine. Even placing 5 or 10 pound weight bracelets on your arms can make a significant difference. You won't get massive arm strength, but it can help to lose some weight off your arms and/or trim them up. I'm not sure how much mobility you've lost due to the broken hand, but if you put the weights on your arms you don't have to grip anything really, just rest your hand on the machine. I've never done it, but had a friend that used this technique for a bit and said it helped keep his arm strength up. Just something to think about, and hopefully it helps/works for you.
Another thing to keep in mind, if you're really interested in losing weight, but can't do much running and upper body lifting due to your hand, is to find a place with a pool. Swimming is, from what I've read and heard anyway, to be one of the absolute best all-around full-body workouts you can get. I've never taken swimming lessons, so I can't speak to this from any practical experience, but that's always been my understanding that swimming is a great way to shed fat/build muscle/improve cardio. GL to you thumb.gif

I am talking about the norms within diet and exercise. For instance fresh fruits and veggies, can't have the fresh fruits parts. Also wheat is is no go, while I may not have celiac disease, I am gluten sensitive so I tend to avoid a wheat foods. As for the exercise, I will just give the short version uncontrollable exercise induced asthma, so cardio is out but strength training is still good. Now for part 2 of my sucky health if stress levels get even a little high I start to go blind. So any kind of exercise without a partner isn't safe and I don't have one of those right now, she off defending the country.
To add used to run 10km every other day, so I was pretty healthy for a while.

@b3machi7ke : I was generalizing about Americans, the same way everyone does about everything. They do the same all around the world, been there done that.
If you need stats: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity
Edited by GrimNights - 1/2/13 at 5:07pm
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Thats why i'm eating healthier and starting wuth daily cycling/some weights at the gym. Some lliptical work too. I could stand to lose ~40-50 probably, but running just kills my ankles right now frown.gif too heavy i think.
I think being 'bigger' also has hurt my immune system as i've been more sick in the past 1.5 years than most of my life. I used to never get sick frown.giffrown.gif . Ther is a lot to it all though, and doing just one thing isn't enough to get anyone in shape from a bad spot.
For example, I lead a low activity lifestyle and have a desk job. I've also been heavy for a few years now. I'll need to keep my healthier diet and start working out almost daily to see any real change in coming months.
Due to broken hand, my upper body work is limited though frown.gif but i can still do lower body machines/bike/ellipctical smile.gif Too many people, myself included, get discouraged at not seeing immediate results in a week or two. It's hard to make such a large adjustment to daily exercise... especially for a gamer with a full time job tongue.gif lol. But, due to broken hand in my case, no gaming anyways, so why not work out biggrin.gif
People DO need support though, and a lot of what i see in here and everywhere is a complete lack of that. It's sad really.

This is a huge issue. People do need support to go to the gym and eat healthy... NOT

Listen, Losing weight requires courage and willpower. This comes straight from the heart. No matter how much support I give someone they will not lose weight unless deep down inside they really want it! The only thing that I can do is spread my knowledge on losing weight. I have been there! Tried everything! I didn't get results for ever!!! Now i'm ripped beyond belief thumb.gif
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Also, something to think about for upper body strength, is to attach weights to your arms while on the elliptical machine. Even placing 5 or 10 pound weight bracelets on your arms can make a significant difference. You won't get massive arm strength, but it can help to lose some weight off your arms and/or trim them up.

Spot reduction is a myth.
    
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I am talking about the norms within diet and exercise. For instance fresh fruits and veggies, can't have the fresh fruits parts. Also wheat is is no go, while I may not have celiac disease, I am gluten sensitive so I tend to avoid a wheat foods. As for the exercise, I will just give the short version uncontrollable exercise induced asthma, so cardio is out but strength training is still good.

what you describe is my norm. Heavy lifting, low carb, no gluten containing grains and I've actually cut way back on running and I'm leaner than ever.
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This is a huge issue. People do need support to go to the gym and eat healthy... NOT
Listen, Losing weight requires courage and willpower. This comes straight from the heart. No matter how much support I give someone they will not lose weight unless deep down inside they really want it! The only thing that I can do is spread my knowledge on losing weight. I have been there! Tried everything! I didn't get results for ever!!! Now i'm ripped beyond belief thumb.gif

but guess what helps you get that willpower and courage...it's other people.
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Willpower and courage to eat less and move more. First world problems are rough.
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Willpower and courage to eat less and move more. First world problems are rough.

... it would take so long and derail the thread so much more to respond to this that I think I'm just done with this thread. It never ceases to amaze me that there are so many people with all the answers living dream lives who are super healthy and 'ripped'. All without the help or support from anyone else, ever. A veritable group of supermen gathering here. rolleyes.gif

For every one helpful, insightful, or rational post, there's 10 that are nonsense and I just don't have the patience for it. I'm not sure how anyone else here does... sheesh. this thread is dead in usefulness.
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Spot reduction is a myth.
You're not usually wrong, so I'll look into this and read further about it. I had a friend of mine that couldn't work out for awhile because of the same basic problem, that's what he did and it seemed to work well for him. My mistake citing a potential outlier as evidence for a solution, thanks for pointing that out cheers.gif
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what you describe is my norm. Heavy lifting, low carb, no gluten containing grains and I've actually cut way back on running and I'm leaner than ever.
You do heavy lifting and less running and are leaner? That's peculiar, in all my experiences heavy lifting never seems to lead toward leaner bodies, usually it's running and/or swimming that tends to produce lean bodies and heavy lifting produces more bulk. Unless I'm not understanding what you're saying, which is always possible smile.gif
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but guess what helps you get that willpower and courage...it's other people.
+1, and those same people are the ones who can destroy any courage and willpower you've managed to build up. Always important to build people up instead of destroy them thumb.gif
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Willpower and courage to eat less and move more. First world problems are rough.
Very narrow minded view. Maybe you've experienced problems like these, maybe you haven't. But it really can be intimidating walking into a gym, being significantly overweight and not really knowing anything about what exercises to perform or machines to use, being surrounded by a flock of fairly healthy to ripped athletic people. So it really does take a bit of willpower and courage to hit the gym in the beginning, and part of the process is to be supportive and compassionate to those who have the desire to change themselves to become healthier individuals.
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... it would take so long and derail the thread so much more to respond to this that I think I'm just done with this thread. It never ceases to amaze me that there are so many people with all the answers living dream lives who are super healthy and 'ripped'. All without the help or support from anyone else, ever. A veritable group of supermen gathering here. rolleyes.gif
For every one helpful, insightful, or rational post, there's 10 that are nonsense and I just don't have the patience for it. I'm not sure how anyone else here does... sheesh. this thread is dead in usefulness.
Threads only become dead in usefulness when trolls are allowed to win thumb.gif It is sad when people are ridiculed for stuff like this, I've seen it both here on the forum and in-person in my gym, where people have been mocked or scorned for not knowing they're stretching incorrectly or their form is less than perfect, or not being able to lift much. I always try to be supportive and help out, people really can be pathetic some times. Everyone had to start somewhere at some point, and everyone had to learn from someone at some point. I figure, my job as a decent human being is to lend assistance and support where I can, and learn from those who know more than I. Have you checked out the OCN workout thread? I don't visit it much anymore tbh, but it's usually filled with friendly and helpful people who are supportive and knowledgeable, would recommend checking it out if you haven't already thumb.gif
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Well I'm going to add Activia (a pro-biotic yoghourt) to my diet and exercise routine and see if I feel it helps. What's the worst that can happen, I get regular? tongue.gif


P.S. Remind me to never come to OCN for Health Tips.
"EAT LESS MOVE MORE"...... Good idea rolleyes.gif
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