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that journal article/ study is pretty poorly written. You take ONE morbidly obese subject and give them limited calorie healthy meal with probiotics. Of course this will result in large decrease in weight. But the amount that the subject lost in the duration is not healthy at all.
Also another surprising thing is usually studies in china have much larger population because it's cheaper to do and less regulatoins to worry about.
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I guess what I am saying is, you are working backwards if you want them to be healthy, so you don't have to
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pay for their healthcare

Really I'm not giving them pity, I'm looking at it from a psychological view. I see people that just give up because they feel they cant do it. Maybe some encouragement would help.
Generally speaking, all that happens when you call some one fat, is they get more depressed and the cycle continues.



To get back on topic,

I like the Idea of a Gut Flora deficiency.
Could GMO crops be killing off the beneficial gut flora, thus aiding the growth of this bad bacteria?
Edited by cayennemist - 12/23/12 at 12:28pm
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There are so many different things contributing to obesity. I read a study awhile ago that once you have a certain number of fat cells you are stuck with the number of fat cells forever... when you lose weight it's is due to each of the fat cells shrinking and not because you have actually decreased the number of fat cells in your body. If you can a lot of weight you increase the number of fat cells you body has and you are stuck with them until you die. This is probably why it's so hard to lose the weight and keep it off after you've become obese.

http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/alerts/nutrition_weight_control/JohnsHopkinsHealthAlertsNutritionWeightControl_813-1.html

Interesting study, but in the grand scheme of things these bacteria probably don't play a huge part in obesity. In the last 20 years the obesity rate has sky-rocketed and I'm guessing this bacteria isn't something new.
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I guess what I am saying is, you are working backwards if you want them to be healthy, so you don't have to
Really I'm not giving them pity, I'm looking at it from a psychological view. I see people that just give up because they feel they cant do it. Maybe some encouragement would help.
Generally speaking, all that happens when you call some one fat, is they get more depressed and the cycle continues.
To get back on topic,
I like the Idea of a Gut Flora deficiency.
Could GMO crops be killing off the beneficial gut flora, thus aiding the growth of this bad bacteria?

That's an interesting hypothesis. I highly doubt it's the GMO crops themselves; however, the pesticides used on them could theoretically kill off bacteria that would otherwise occupy your gut. It's all conjecture though; you would actually have to culture bacteria on GMO + pesticide vs. GMO - pesticide vs. non-GMO to see what the relative effects on bacterial populations are. Until such a study is conducted (or unless it already has been), it's all a bunch of hand waving.
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In the end, this is what it comes down to. There will always be other factors, but it's a simple, effective explanation.
Sounds like a bad idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_starvation

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He also states tat he tales supplements and other stuff so this doesn't happen.
Protein is a very slow burning energy compared to sugar so the same Kj intake will last much much longer.

this, also, if you read the article, it says that the liver can't process more than 365g of protein a day. that's not a big deal, since 1200Kcal of protein is about is about 300g anyway. also, this is for bigger guys like me, smaller guys take about 800kcal protein. also, this is a crash diet that lasts 3 months and will not have any ill effects. also, the fish oils i mentioned give the amount of fat needed for this to not be dangerous.

but again, that's why i said, a lot more has to be researched before you go on this. a book i recommend is Rapid Fatloss Handbook by Lyle McDonald. it explains it a lot more thoroughly and he's not pushing any product at all, it's a no frills no BS book that helped me lose 100 pounds. (god i sound like an infomercial now tongue.gif)
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There are so many different things contributing to obesity. I read a study awhile ago that once you have a certain number of fat cells you are stuck with the number of fat cells forever... when you lose weight it's is due to each of the fat cells shrinking and not because you have actually decreased the number of fat cells in your body. If you can a lot of weight you increase the number of fat cells you body has and you are stuck with them until you die. This is probably why it's so hard to lose the weight and keep it off after you've become obese.
http://www.johnshopkinshealthalerts.com/alerts/nutrition_weight_control/JohnsHopkinsHealthAlertsNutritionWeightControl_813-1.html
Interesting study, but in the grand scheme of things these bacteria probably don't play a huge part in obesity. In the last 20 years the obesity rate has sky-rocketed and I'm guessing this bacteria isn't something new.

lipo is underrated
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Yes, lets mock the fat people, some of whome probably eat for emotional support, and who likely eat so much because of peoples attitudes in the first place.

How about the far more likely option 3: lack of self control and willpower?
    
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How about the far more likely option 3: lack of self control and willpower?
This is the case the vast majority of the time. How many people really have thyroid problems or were traumatised so badly that they over-eat to the point of obesity for comfort?

People will claim to be "sick" when they're not just so they aren't judged so harshly. It's so easy with today's high carb, high trans-fat foods to just eat all the tasty, unhealthy foods.
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I know almost absolutely nothing on this subject so I am going to ask a general stupid question. How is it that people in the same family can have different metabolisms? What makes someone able to sit there all day eat whatever the person wants and not gain any weight. Yet myself on the other, if i do not exercise regularly and religiously watch my diet i will gain weight. I know not much on the subject and am curious how people just have a better metabolism than others.
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I know almost absolutely nothing on this subject so I am going to ask a general stupid question. How is it that people in the same family can have different metabolisms? What makes someone able to sit there all day eat whatever the person wants and not gain any weight. Yet myself on the other, if i do not exercise regularly and religiously watch my diet i will gain weight. I know not much on the subject and am curious how people just have a better metabolism than others.
genotypes and phenotypes, its like saying why does one kid have blue eyes and the other green. it is simply the luck of the dice when it comes to your genetics, just because somebody is related to you doesn't necessarily mean they share the same traits.
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