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Originally Posted by Clipze View Post

you're obese because you are a sloth..its that simple.
stop shoving food in your mouth and you'll lose weight..use nature, bear hibernation as an example..
you are not big boned, you do not have any "medical illness", you are fat because you are a sloth. It is impossible to maintain high bodyfat without ingesting a certain amount of calories..
everyones resting metabolic rate is different, so some people can burn calories off quicker than others, but that is no excuse

there are rare cases, like the one in the OP, where bacterial infections and brain complications can lead to obesity. However this only occurs in some morbidly obese people. Yes, genetics do play a factor is your suceptability to process say for example starch.

However for most people, it's energy in > energy used.

Also, metabolism rates has zero effect on obesity.
It's the cheapness of starch and sugar products that are the real killer. It's economic. Cheaper foods are full of starch and/or sugar, the two most easily digestible carbohydrates.
There's a reason why lower socio-economic classes have much higher obesity rates.

This was highly useful when we were out in the African savannah and rainforest where sugar and starch were rare, but isn't so good in a world of global food production.

For you Americans, your massive (ask anyone outside the US) portions don't help you.
Edited by chinesekiwi - 12/24/12 at 2:32am
post #52 of 203
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Originally Posted by S.M. View Post

It's 100% diet. If you are fat you eat too much food for your body and lifestyle, if you are too skinny you eat too little.
Your basal metabolic rate is a real number and you should learn to know what it is. A small 50 calorie sway in a meal is half a pound a month. Now to put it into perspective, most people under eat or over eat by a margin of ~500 calories daily. (an entire meal)
People are going off into tangents about fitness and health.

skinny is completely different from too fat though..

if your resting metabolic rate is high, you are burning calories to get down to a certain "weight"..as long as you're getting proper nutrition, you cannot be "too skinny"..(from a health standpoint)..

To get fat you have to do an action, that action is shove your mouth full of food. To get skinny you have to do, essentially nothing. Staying active would help you achieve a better physique of course, but to lose weight you have to do nothing. Duct tape your mouth, and you'll lose weight.

Thats why in the wildlife, NO predator is overweight. Overweight = you lose weight and you die. Bears in hibernation, lose weight at the end of the season

If you visit eastern europe for example, you would notice minimal overweight people....its a big problem in the usa..these fat sloths mixed in with "size discrimination" is one big joke..and the culture defends these sloths, cause they go into denial and their defensive mechanism kicks in.."im fat because xxxxx"

nope you're fat because you hide candy bars under your bed, sloth
post #53 of 203
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Originally Posted by chinesekiwi View Post

there are rare cases, like the one in the OP, where bacterial infections and brain complications can lead to obesity. However this only occurs in some morbidly obese people. Yes, genetics do play a factor is your suceptability to process say for example starch.
However for most people, it's energy in > energy used.
Also, metabolism rates has zero effect on obesity.

zero affect?

metabolism rate IS what uses the energy..

When you are resting or sleeping, you are burning calories. Everyone burns calories at a different rate, this is their metabolic rate. It IS genetics, that is why people can consume the same amount of calories, while having drastic difference in weight..
Its alot more complex than what you're making it...
Just like having more muscle mass doesn't mean you will be stronger than someone with lower muscle mass.
Theres fast twitch fibers, slow twitch fibers, and most importantly, the effectiveness of the central nervous system

But that is no excuse, you have to play with the cards you are given
Edited by Clipze - 12/24/12 at 2:34am
post #54 of 203
yes, zero effect.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/treatments/healthy_living/your_weight/medical_myths.shtml

It's the oppoite of what people think. Obese people have higher metabolism rates due to their bodies being, well, bigger!
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Results from these studies have consistently shown that overweight people use more energy to keep their bodies working. This is because they have larger bodies with bigger muscles and internal organs.

However, after taking into account differences in body size, lean and obese people have been shown to have similar metabolic rates.
post #55 of 203
However food (and thus quality of food) does have cultural influences.

e.g. a lot of 'soul food' is very unhealthy. the high calorie food was useful when they were slaves doing farmwork underneath the hot sun, but not so good when most of your demographic population urbanises.
post #56 of 203
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Originally Posted by Andr3az View Post

Another excuse for lazy fat people: " I can't get fit, I have bacteria ".

it's sad that the first thing that comes out of you about a new scientific discovery is some trivial social babbling about hypothetical people
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How about the far more likely option 3: lack of self control and willpower?

fat people tend to be depressed, so no it's not more likely
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Eating one meal a day will slow down your metabolism.
Basically when you eat one big meal a day, your body can't use that much food when you actually eat it, so it stores most of it away. Then your metabolism slows down, so it can slowly use that stored food throughout the day and not run out of energy.
It's best to eat a bunch of small healthy meals. That gives you just enough energy until your next meal, keeps your metabolism high, and you won't have to store away any excess food as fat.

You can only absorb 30 grams of protein an hour. The rest of that is ejected through your bowels. You're not going to gain 2lbs by eating a whole pizza in 10 minutes. Your metabolism also isn't what is responsible for gaining weight...

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I agree! Eating regularly and in smaller portions is the best thing ever. I eat 6-8 meals a day(8 during my cardio and weight lifting session) and I've noticed significant changes. All that stuff about calorie counting and one meal a day...is just unsustainable, really unhealthy & just silly to begin with.Nonetheless, one thing I've noticed is that eating regularly with protein also helps with the toning process a lot.

Your last sentence is hinting as to the reason why.

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Theres no free lunch.
all that vegan vegetarian nonsense is bad for you btw, humans are meat eaters deal with it hippies

Sorry, but you're flat out wrong. Being a Vegetarian or Vegan is not bad for you... The reason why most Vegetarians are healthier than meat eaters is not because they don't eat meat, it's because they are more likely to be careful about what they put in their mouth. You can be just as healthy as a meat eater if you put as much effort into eating healthy foods. It's just easier to do so when you are Vegetarian because you're actively thinking about what you eat and which nutrients you need to make up for that used to come from meat.


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For you Americans, your massive (ask anyone outside the US) portions don't help you.
Oh, I thought Aussies were just midgets, that's why they needed smaller portions.
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Edited by Wonky Sausage - 12/24/12 at 3:56pm
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The amount of supposed experts in here (from all their exhaustive internet research rolleyes.gif) is just astounding. I'm surprised I haven't seen so many of you posting your side jobs as nutritionists and health experts in the 'What do you do for a living?' thread.

I've seen the terms, 'ignorant, lazy, fatty', etc used here with reckless abandon, and frankly it's kind of sickening the complete lack of depth people are taking to this situation. Some hint on parts of the issue, with all the sugar and processed corn and such in so many foods anymore. You also have to see the other side... cost of these foods. Some have even acknowledged that know these cheap foods are subsidized (since the filler/unhealthy ingredients are subsidized), which make them a more attractive, tasty, and affordable option to those making LESS each year due to the degrading economy.

Not all who are overweight are lazy or ignorant. I am overweight for several reasons. Some was due to depression after leaving the military some 7 years ago, since I didn't really want to leave (at that time... different story, irrelevant) and just ate whatever was around and what i could afford (KEY point..). Then I've worked between a dozen or so jobs in the past 6 years since employers would make and keep more $ by recycling employees from temp services than actually hiring them and paying an equal living wage. So... more time spent eating readily available, cheap, unhealthy foods. Also in that time is the amount of time spent at desk jobs, or jobs not requiring active movement... not burning as many calories, coupled with already unhealthy habits, exacerbated by lack of proper living wage. Now, over a year ago, a good job pops up. I get taken full time, and am making a decent living wage now. Finances are tight due to paying off years of debt from being under/unemployed... so still virtually broke and forced to eat what i can afford. Now, the reins are loosening and my wife and i are eating healthier and exercising. She's losing a lot of weight quickly since she doesn't work and can exercise a lot more... I'm losing weight slowly, but getting healthier due to a better diet. Why can't I exercise more? I work full time, have a family to attend to, and have to come home to cook dinner and attend to the kids as well... not enough hours in the day and local gyms close before i could get to them. So, i work out on weekends.

Now, this may seem like some that i'm taking this whole thread overly personal, that's half true. Being overweight, i DO take offense to the notion that i should be considered lazy and ignorant, when i'm far from either of those. I am also NOT a unique case, so substitute my life in brief above to any of a million other examples that could be a carbon copy, and you'll have the same results. When you're low income/poor, it's easier to buy the cheap crap food, since it's readily available, tastes good (you forget it’s unhealthy), AND… you can afford it. Regardless of what some may think, eating healthy is more expensive than eating unhealthy. Especially when you have a family to feed and not just yourself. If I only had to worry about myself, I’d probably be in the same shape I was in the Army since I could go to the gym after work, eat steak every night (example… don’t take literally), and live for myself. That’s not the case for me, and MANY others. Blame the corporations that put out this unhealthy food at rates lower than even fruits and veggies. Sure, I can buy a sack of apples, and an apple is fairly filling. Now, take that into account, eating 1-2 apples a day, 5 days a week, with 4 people… that’s a lot of apples. I could just buy a 2 large bags of chips and get the same effect for a fraction of the cost. Many see it this way, and live that way. To get enough natural food to sustain a family is expensive and hard to maintain without adequate income. Self control has a part to play when it becomes solely a preference when you have choices, but no everyone has the choices.

I’ve been on food stamps, I’ve been to food pantries (and still go from time to time…) and see people from all walks of life. I see overweight people continue to make poor choices when they ARE presented with options, because no one cares to help them. You can just point and laugh, and mock them… how does that help? How many here smoke or drink? Shall I point and laugh when you get cancer and your liver fails, or you get a hole cut in your throat just to be able to breathe? Having to burp to talk? Stop complaining online that these people are just lazy and ignorant, and if you feel you actually know better, volunteer and try to HELP someone instead of spouting off online like you have all the answers.

You want a fact beyond doubt… we’re all different and our bodies all react differently and are all built differently. I come from a family of powerfully built men, with my father’s side (who I take mostly after) being Hungarian/Romanian and all of stout, yet tall builds. The leanest I have ever been as an adult was ~200lb, and that was at my peak in the Army. I have been, and will always be large… because I have a large frame. My target weight is 189lb for my height, and that will probably never happen, but that doesn’t make me fat when I get back down to 200. I’m 250 right now, but most could never tell since I carry it well, and I do ask people when we’re on topics that are relevant. My goal is 210 or less, and I can tell you it is no easy journey. I can also reiterate that this is not a story/example unique to myself, and many others I do know and have known share similar experiences. My old single friends are all in reasonable shape, while my married friends (or friends with kids) are having harder go of it due to strained finances and time. You can’t always just work harder, and you certainly can’t add hours to a day to suit your needs or wants. My work will be slow, fine, but I’m dedicated to it and have made the first step by changing my diet. Not diet as in ‘lose weight now, feel great!... get overweight again… repeat’, but diet as in my lifestyle. THAT is the biggest problem above all, for everyone overweight. We need help, and I have asked for it as well. You see someone struggling, offer to work out with them, motivate them, be human to them and not an online ‘voice of reason’. My wife is great about supporting me and asks me to come all the time, and I pass more than I should due to being overly tired, but I’m working on that as well. I can tell you though, her support means more to me than anything any of you could ever say online. Now, if one of you was local and offered to hang out and go for a jog or hit the gym, I’d shake your hand and off we’d go.

Most of what I’ve said will be overlooked and you all will go back to spouting off about what diet works better, and so on and so forth… but tell me I’m wrong here. And spare us all the, “I pay taxes… blah blah’ nonsense… it isn’t helping and we don’t care. We all pay taxes.
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fat people tend to be depressed, so no it's not more likely

Around 70% of Americans are overweight or obese. 1 in 10 Americans are depressed. There's an overlap there that your hypothesis doesn't explain, yet the lazy, gluttonous culture we've evolved in this country does.

When half the world is starving, I don't have any sympathy for somebody that becomes depressed because they chose eat too many snack cakes in the first place.
    
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