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Around 70% of Americans are overweight or obese. 1 in 10 Americans are depressed. There's an overlap there that your hypothesis doesn't explain, yet the lazy, gluttonous culture we've evolved in this country does.
When half the world is starving, I don't have any sympathy for somebody that becomes depressed because they chose eat too many snack cakes in the first place.

Apparently you just don't want to put any real comprehensive thought into this either... you obviously have never been in the situation and don't have a clue how a lot of people end up in the situations they're in to begin with. Top that with the tv fed culture we live in force feeding people lies, that even the government backs up as 'truth' half the time, and we get... America.

Yeah, it's long... read my post and then continue the thread. Don't have the patience to read a long post? How can you have the thought processes available to really analyze this topic at hand then?
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Rich countries are fat.
Europe is steadily climbing to be as fat as America. Saudi and some of the other rich oil kingdoms are also fattening quit nicely.

Its a first world problem. There is your research, China.
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I have high metabolism. If I ate mcdonalds for breakfast lunch and dinner for a whole month, I wouldn't gain a pound. I might actually lose more weight. Whatever weight I lose I can't gain it back so Its very important I eat the same every day. It's in the genes.
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I have high metabolism. If I ate mcdonalds for breakfast lunch and dinner for a whole month, I wouldn't gain a pound. I might actually lose more weight. Whatever weight I lose I can't gain it back so Its very important I eat the same every day. It's in the genes.
Yes, you would. I've been a skinny kid my entire life — had the same attitude as you. "I'm skinny because I have a high metabolism." That may be true, but it's only a very small piece of the puzzle that can easily be overcome with dietary changes.

In reality, I'm skinny because of a lifelong history of not eating as much as others. And now that I've had that lifelong history, it's incredibly difficult for me to gain weight. I'm simply not used to having 3 meals a day, consistently, with enough calories to allow me to gain weight. I'm used to being hungry — it's become comfortable to me.

On the other hand, eating constantly is uncomfortable. In order to gain weight and put on some muscle, I have to change my everyday life. That's a challenge.

So you definitely would gain weight. The problem is that you very likely could never compel yourself to eat McDonalds everyday for a month. You'd never make it there in the first place.

Unless you do, in fact, eat 3000 calories a day without gaining weight. But I highly doubt that.
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yes, zero effect.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/treatments/healthy_living/your_weight/medical_myths.shtml
It's the oppoite of what people think. Obese people have higher metabolism rates due to their bodies being, well, bigger!

metabolic rate is genetics..

a ectomorph for example, will have great difficulty putting on fat. And if he does put the fat on, he would be able to shred it with little effort..Obese people using more energy to stay obese has nothing to do with metabolic rate..you are comparing apples to oranges. If their metabolic rate was like an ecto/mesomorph, they wouldnt be obese to begin with
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I have high metabolism. If I ate mcdonalds for breakfast lunch and dinner for a whole month, I wouldn't gain a pound. I might actually lose more weight. Whatever weight I lose I can't gain it back so Its very important I eat the same every day. It's in the genes.

You will gain weight as long as you intake an excess amount of calories..

With that mcdonalds diet you will gain weight..(if you don't end up dead that is)..

It will be much more difficult for you to put on weight since your body prefers to maintain a very low bodyfat (under 10% i would guess)..
You would have to shove food in your mouth, and after you put the weight on, you will have to maintain it..If you stop maintaing it you will return back to your "natural" weight that your body prefers..obese people are endomorphs, either that or they have mental issues surrounding food, which keeps food going into their mouths
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metabolic rate is genetics..
a ectomorph for example, will have great difficulty putting on fat. And if he does put the fat on, he would be able to shred it with little effort..Obese people using more energy to stay obese has nothing to do with metabolic rate..you are comparing apples to oranges. If their metabolic rate was like an ecto/mesomorph, they wouldnt be obese to begin with
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Sheldon's theories enjoyed a vogue as the "pop-psych flavor of the month" through the 1950s.[2] Modern scientists, however, generally (with occasional exceptions,[3][4] some relying on outdated – 1978 or prior – studies) dismiss his claims as outdated, if not outright quackery.[5]

Sheldon's photographs of naked Ivy League undergraduates, numbered in the thousands, were taken under the umbrella of a pre-existing program ostensibly evaluating student posture. The photos were in fact collected by Sheldon to provide data for his ideas about somatotypes. However, as "part of a facade or cover-up" the students and schools were told that the photos were taken to evaluate posture.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatotype_and_constitutional_psychology
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Apparently you just don't want to put any real comprehensive thought into this either... you obviously have never been in the situation and don't have a clue how a lot of people end up in the situations they're in to begin with. Top that with the tv fed culture we live in force feeding people lies, that even the government backs up as 'truth' half the time, and we get... America.
Yeah, it's long... read my post and then continue the thread. Don't have the patience to read a long post? How can you have the thought processes available to really analyze this topic at hand then?

You gained weight because you were depressed and you're putting forth effort to improve yourself. That's fantastic. However, that does not apply to the vast majority of overweight Americans.
    
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Interesting that they found a bacteria with a strong correlation with obesity, but as it has been known for years, unhealthy eating, high calorie diets, will cause obesity as opposed to more healthier life styles and foods.
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The amount of supposed experts in here (from all their exhaustive internet research rolleyes.gif) is just astounding. I'm surprised I haven't seen so many of you posting your side jobs as nutritionists and health experts in the 'What do you do for a living?' thread.
I've seen the terms, 'ignorant, lazy, fatty', etc used here with reckless abandon, and frankly it's kind of sickening the complete lack of depth people are taking to this situation. Some hint on parts of the issue, with all the sugar and processed corn and such in so many foods anymore. You also have to see the other side... cost of these foods. Some have even acknowledged that know these cheap foods are subsidized (since the filler/unhealthy ingredients are subsidized), which make them a more attractive, tasty, and affordable option to those making LESS each year due to the degrading economy.
Not all who are overweight are lazy or ignorant. I am overweight for several reasons. Some was due to depression after leaving the military some 7 years ago, since I didn't really want to leave (at that time... different story, irrelevant) and just ate whatever was around and what i could afford (KEY point..). Then I've worked between a dozen or so jobs in the past 6 years since employers would make and keep more $ by recycling employees from temp services than actually hiring them and paying an equal living wage. So... more time spent eating readily available, cheap, unhealthy foods. Also in that time is the amount of time spent at desk jobs, or jobs not requiring active movement... not burning as many calories, coupled with already unhealthy habits, exacerbated by lack of proper living wage. Now, over a year ago, a good job pops up. I get taken full time, and am making a decent living wage now. Finances are tight due to paying off years of debt from being under/unemployed... so still virtually broke and forced to eat what i can afford. Now, the reins are loosening and my wife and i are eating healthier and exercising. She's losing a lot of weight quickly since she doesn't work and can exercise a lot more... I'm losing weight slowly, but getting healthier due to a better diet. Why can't I exercise more? I work full time, have a family to attend to, and have to come home to cook dinner and attend to the kids as well... not enough hours in the day and local gyms close before i could get to them. So, i work out on weekends.
Now, this may seem like some that i'm taking this whole thread overly personal, that's half true. Being overweight, i DO take offense to the notion that i should be considered lazy and ignorant, when i'm far from either of those. I am also NOT a unique case, so substitute my life in brief above to any of a million other examples that could be a carbon copy, and you'll have the same results. When you're low income/poor, it's easier to buy the cheap crap food, since it's readily available, tastes good (you forget it’s unhealthy), AND… you can afford it. Regardless of what some may think, eating healthy is more expensive than eating unhealthy. Especially when you have a family to feed and not just yourself. If I only had to worry about myself, I’d probably be in the same shape I was in the Army since I could go to the gym after work, eat steak every night (example… don’t take literally), and live for myself. That’s not the case for me, and MANY others. Blame the corporations that put out this unhealthy food at rates lower than even fruits and veggies. Sure, I can buy a sack of apples, and an apple is fairly filling. Now, take that into account, eating 1-2 apples a day, 5 days a week, with 4 people… that’s a lot of apples. I could just buy a 2 large bags of chips and get the same effect for a fraction of the cost. Many see it this way, and live that way. To get enough natural food to sustain a family is expensive and hard to maintain without adequate income. Self control has a part to play when it becomes solely a preference when you have choices, but no everyone has the choices.
I’ve been on food stamps, I’ve been to food pantries (and still go from time to time…) and see people from all walks of life. I see overweight people continue to make poor choices when they ARE presented with options, because no one cares to help them. You can just point and laugh, and mock them… how does that help? How many here smoke or drink? Shall I point and laugh when you get cancer and your liver fails, or you get a hole cut in your throat just to be able to breathe? Having to burp to talk? Stop complaining online that these people are just lazy and ignorant, and if you feel you actually know better, volunteer and try to HELP someone instead of spouting off online like you have all the answers.
You want a fact beyond doubt… we’re all different and our bodies all react differently and are all built differently. I come from a family of powerfully built men, with my father’s side (who I take mostly after) being Hungarian/Romanian and all of stout, yet tall builds. The leanest I have ever been as an adult was ~200lb, and that was at my peak in the Army. I have been, and will always be large… because I have a large frame. My target weight is 189lb for my height, and that will probably never happen, but that doesn’t make me fat when I get back down to 200. I’m 250 right now, but most could never tell since I carry it well, and I do ask people when we’re on topics that are relevant. My goal is 210 or less, and I can tell you it is no easy journey. I can also reiterate that this is not a story/example unique to myself, and many others I do know and have known share similar experiences. My old single friends are all in reasonable shape, while my married friends (or friends with kids) are having harder go of it due to strained finances and time. You can’t always just work harder, and you certainly can’t add hours to a day to suit your needs or wants. My work will be slow, fine, but I’m dedicated to it and have made the first step by changing my diet. Not diet as in ‘lose weight now, feel great!... get overweight again… repeat’, but diet as in my lifestyle. THAT is the biggest problem above all, for everyone overweight. We need help, and I have asked for it as well. You see someone struggling, offer to work out with them, motivate them, be human to them and not an online ‘voice of reason’. My wife is great about supporting me and asks me to come all the time, and I pass more than I should due to being overly tired, but I’m working on that as well. I can tell you though, her support means more to me than anything any of you could ever say online. Now, if one of you was local and offered to hang out and go for a jog or hit the gym, I’d shake your hand and off we’d go.
Most of what I’ve said will be overlooked and you all will go back to spouting off about what diet works better, and so on and so forth… but tell me I’m wrong here. And spare us all the, “I pay taxes… blah blah’ nonsense… it isn’t helping and we don’t care. We all pay taxes.

I see a very long post full of excuses. Good job and good luck trying to lose weight, but don't kid yourself that the main problem isn't willpower. I see much of these same things said over and over by different people. YES there is a lot of very cheap crappy food, but there is also healthy natural food available for cheap. Rice, beans, eggs, fruits and vegetables. If you think you can't afford it, then you haven't actually made up a mock diet and totaled the weekly cost. Buying in bulk is key. Everyone is capable of making time to exercise, even if its just a 20 min walk around the block everyday. Married guys always say they don't have any time, but they really just don't want to make time. I get it, you want to relax with your family after a long day at work, but don't use that to justify laziness. There is plenty of help available, you just have to actually look for it and take it.

The lack of nutrition education is a huge problem in this country. Someone said earlier that sugar can be as addictive as cocaine, and that is true. There are studies showing the effects on brain chemistry, but that is because we evolved to go after the taste of fats and sweets. Those things used to be difficult to find, but are now filling our supermarkets on the cheap. It's so easy to be fat and lazy these days, that you have to really commit yourself to health.
Edited by DrGroove - 12/24/12 at 11:21am
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