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Don't even need to buy in bulk... brown rice and lentils are less than $1/lb. Eating healthy is actually cheaper if you cook your own meals. Often tastier too.
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I see a very long post full of excuses. Good job and good luck trying to lose weight, but don't kid yourself that the main problem isn't willpower. I see much of these same things said over and over by different people. YES there is a lot of very cheap crappy food, but there is also healthy natural food available for cheap. Rice, beans, eggs, fruits and vegetables. If you think you can't afford it, then you haven't actually made up a mock diet and totaled the weekly cost. Buying in bulk is key. Everyone is capable of making time to exercise, even if its just a 20 min walk around the block everyday. Married guys always say they don't have any time, but they really just don't want to make time. I get it, you want to relax with your family after a long day at work, but don't use that to justify laziness. There is plenty of help available, you just have to actually look for it and take it.
The lack of nutrition education is a huge problem in this country. Someone said earlier that sugar can be as addictive as cocaine, and that is true. There are studies showing the effects on brain chemistry, but that is because we evolved to go after the taste of fats and sweets. Those things used to be difficult to find, but are now filling our supermarkets on the cheap. It's so easy to be fat and lazy these days, that you have to really commit yourself to health.

If you see excuses, you really didn't read it or just don't care to believe that maybe you don't know everything about how everyone elses lives work. Obviously you haven't been in a similar situation. And a walk daily isn't enough to count as exercise. It works your heart, but unless it's a jog it isn't really exercising your body. I walk almost nightly with my wife around our neighborhood, less so on really cold nights, but still.
The phrase about 'married guys' leads me to believe you don't fall into the married category to understand that not only be married, but married WITH KIDS is very demanding on your time. I get home around 5, spend until about 8 doing things that NEED to be done, then lay the kids down... and relaxing comes after 9-9:30 usually. Local gyms (that i can afford) aren't open that late. Since i have to get up at 7am also, i need to be in bed at a reasonable time, so there's hardly any time to do anything for myself. When that's all said and done, i'm exhausted and just need to sit until sleep time. then there's shower time spent and all that, and taking the dogs out again... having a family is a huge difference in every way from being able to focus solely on yourself.
We have also gone to our local supermarkets and whole food places we can afford... a 'healthy' diet for our family costs about 1.5x as much as our current improved diet, which is already straining resources. I'm not alone in this area, and talk to others at my work who feel the same and experience the same.
Nutrition education IS a problem, but on that is also the willingness and ease with which the corporations can abuse and mislead people into believing certain foods are healthy, when they're not. Being less unhealthy is not the same as healthy.. but at least dropping trans-fats was a step in the positive. I try to educate my children on teh benefits of eating healthy, and they love fruits and veggies... but they devour them and a weeks worth can be gone in 2 days lol. Like i said.. eating healthy is expensive, and growing kids make it more so. Freaking bottomless pits...
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And a walk daily isn't enough to count as exercise. It works your heart, but unless it's a jog it isn't really exercising your body.
That is all dependent on what your body has adapted to.
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Local gyms (that i can afford) aren't open that late.
You could set up a home gym. It'd save you money in the long run.
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My father is a dietician. I've been on a "diet" for the past few years.
I see a lot of bad dieting advice.

The key to losing weight is mainly what you eat.
Exercise is not the best way to lose weight. To lose weight and keep weight off, you must control your diet because you probably won't exercise strenuously every day.
And even if you do exercise strenuously every day, it's still not enough to be healthy.

Another big mistake I see is ... people think all you need to do is eat less.
If all you eat is junk, then eating less junk will not make you a healthy person.

To be healthy, you must eat nutrituous food. It's ok to eat some junk food too, but most of your food should be nutrioius.
I still eat cheese, ice cream and drink beer/wine and sometimes other snacks and I still lose weight.
Why? because the rest of my diet is highly nutriuous food: beans, various peas, tofu, various fruits and vegetables, small fish (no other meat), fiber such as wheat/rye/oats, milk, potatoes.

Eating healthy food is not expensive but it is time consuming if you cook your own meals.
Right now, I am eating a delicious home made pizza. Thin frozen crust plus my own nutrious toppings, without all the grease and fat found in restaurant pizza. For lunch today, I ate home-made fries cooked (from raw potates) in a small deep frier with sunflower or corn oil. Tastes almost as good as fast food fries but is cheaper and is probably healthier too.
     
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That is all dependent on what your body has adapted to.
You could set up a home gym. It'd save you money in the long run.

I live in a 2bed apt with 4 people and 6 pets... there's hardly room to walk since we left our old house. (family house that went into fcl) So, home gym isn't an option frown.gif
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My father is a dietician. I've been on a "diet" for the past few years.
And even if you do exercise strenuously every day, it's still not enough to be healthy.
You'll be healthier than if you had not been exercising.
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Another big mistake I see is ... people think all you need to do is eat less.
This is a bit of a straw man.

To lose weight... yes, "all" you need to do is eat less. Generally when someone says "you just need to eat less," it's in the context of weight loss, not being healthier.
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If all you eat is junk, then eating less junk will not make you a healthy person.
No, because then you'll just starve to death.
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To be healthy, you must eat nutrituous food. It's ok to eat some junk food too, but most of your food should be nutrioius.
I still eat cheese, ice cream and drink beer/wine and sometimes other snacks and I still lose weight.
Why? because the rest of my diet is highly nutriuous food: beans, various peas, tofu, various fruits and vegetables, small fish (no other meat), fiber such as wheat/rye/oats, milk, potatoes.
You don't lose weight because your food is more nutritious. You lose weight because you're running at a caloric deficit.

Nutritious food just tends to be light on calories. Don't confuse the two.
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I live in a 2bed apt with 4 people and 6 pets... there's hardly room to walk since we left our old house. (family house that went into fcl) So, home gym isn't an option frown.gif
Man, life has really taken a dump on you.
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I dare all of you to post your dumb ideas of how weight loss works in the bodybuilding.com MISC section and not get trolled all to hell.

Getting fat happens when you eat more food in calories than you burn in a day. That simple. Now, not saying bacteria couldn't effect it, but not to the degree that makes it impossible to lose weight. Some people here have grasped the concept that calories in = calories out
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You don't lose weight because your food is more nutritious. You lose weight because you're running at a caloric deficit.
Nutritious food just tends to be light on calories. Don't confuse the two.

Based on what I've read, losing weight is not as simple as eating too many or too few calories.
Your digestive system is not a calcinator. If you eat 100 calories of something (as measured in a calcinator), you may or may not actually absorb 100 calories.
For example, a high fiber diet can help expel food sooner from your intestines, which gives the food less time to be absorbed into the body. People who are nutrient deficient, their bodies may function a little (or a lot) differently than if they had good nutrition.

Yes, of course, exercise helps, but I am strongly of the opinion that what you eat is more important than exercise.
You can't get big muscles without the proper nutrients, no matter how much you exercise.
Also, exercise can be dangerous or harmful for elderly or severly overweight people.
Running is hard on your knees (and your heart) if you weight a lot.
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this is seriously interesting stuff. me and a lot of my friends are fitness devotees (amateur bodybuilding) and it's a fact that some of them- regardless of diet- can't seem to burn off excess fat for the life of them. they gain the size and strength but that childhood adipose tissue never seems to leave. though I don't know where this research will lead to, but I can only guess it'll allow for real drugs to hit the market which actually works against obese-genetics.
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Not a surprise, while back a man published a paper about the majority (90%) of ulcers being caused by a bacteria. So it might be fair to say a bacteria can thrive in the stomach eating nutrients that could be absorbed by the host. Leaving a deficiency and causing the over intake of what is left, probably high in carbs and sugars.

The stomach itself is an entire ecosystem when you bring it down to the bacterial plane. Not to mention, few people understand how quickly bacteria can reproduce. I've dabbled in a bit of experimentation, isolating and growing specific organisms can be pretty tough because so many contaminants (unwanted organisms) grow fast.

Another way to think about it is, how deadly can certain bacteria infections become. Not only that, healthy humans get them ALL the time. Acne itself is a bacteria infection most of the time, as a result of our own excremental waste from pores. I could only imagine how quickly a bacteria that can survive in a low PH environment, with plenty of food, could populate. It's kind of like the fungi that grows on living fungi, most of them are nasty ... you don't want to mess with.
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