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this is seriously interesting stuff. me and a lot of my friends are fitness devotees (amateur bodybuilding) and it's a fact that some of them- regardless of diet- can't seem to burn off excess fat for the life of them. they gain the size and strength but that childhood adipose tissue never seems to leave. though I don't know where this research will lead to, but I can only guess it'll allow for real drugs to hit the market which actually works against obese-genetics.

Well, body fat percentage matters more as they could easily be replacing the fat weight with the added weight via gained muscle.
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Not a surprise, while back a man published a paper about the majority (90%) of ulcers being caused by a bacteria. So it might be fair to say a bacteria can thrive in the stomach eating nutrients that could be absorbed by the host. Leaving a deficiency and causing the over intake of what is left, probably high in carbs and sugars.
The stomach itself is an entire ecosystem when you bring it down to the bacterial plane. Not to mention, few people understand how quickly bacteria can reproduce. I've dabbled in a bit of experimentation, isolating and growing specific organisms can be pretty tough because so many contaminants (unwanted organisms) grow fast.
Another way to think about it is, how deadly can certain bacteria infections become. Not only that, healthy humans get them ALL the time. Acne itself is a bacteria infection most of the time, as a result of our own excremental waste from pores. I could only imagine how quickly a bacteria that can survive in a low PH environment, with plenty of food, could populate. It's kind of like the fungi that grows on living fungi, most of them are nasty ... you don't want to mess with.

Not necessarily an overuptake of sugars, but an imbalance can definitely cause micronutrient deficiencies.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071015081505.htm
    
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Based on what I've read, losing weight is not as simple as eating too many or too few calories.
It's not, but when you start to add that complexity into an argument that attempts to convince someone to go out and lose wieght, mentioning that complexity works against you.
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Your digestive system is not a calcinator. If you eat 100 calories of something (as measured in a calcinator), you may or may not actually absorb 100 calories.
You're always going to absorb less. Nothing is 100% efficient. Dietary recommendations already account for this, however.
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Yes, of course, exercise helps, but I am strongly of the opinion that what you eat is more important than exercise.
Depends on what your goals are.
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You can't get big muscles without the proper nutrients, no matter how much you exercise.
Yes, but the chances of you being that malnourished are slim-to-none.
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Also, exercise can be dangerous or harmful for elderly or severly overweight people.
Which is why you'll always hear that you should get an exercise regimen cleared with your doctor before starting.
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I don't see what the big deal is. Calories in vs calories out... if you consume less calories than your body needs to maintain, you're going to lose weight.

So much broscience up in here....
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Theres no free lunch.
Alcohol is unbelievably bad for you and makes you a woman like soy milk, goodbye testosterone hello estrogen.
All that writing about falsehoods and you didn't even try to back any of it up.
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When measured acutely, moderate doses of alcohol (0.83g/kg) in resistance trained men when consumed immediately after exercise (where nothing was eaten 3.5 hours before, food given during drinking ab libitum) failed to note any significant differences in testosterone levels for up to 300 minutes after exercise[57] and another sports related study using 1g/kg after a simulated rugby match failed to note a decrease in testosterone despite noting a reduction in power output.[58] A third study using that did not pair ethanol with exercise but used a low dose of 0.45g/kg on three separate pulses 90 minutes apart noted that although there was a trend (via the circadian rhythm) for testosterone to increase in this study that it did not differ between ethanol and water intake.[59]
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The whole small meals thing, one meal thing...rubbish. whatever works for you. Personally, I agree, 1-2 meals a day is ideal, fuel yourself with fat reserves as much as you can, and fast randomly. As for this bacteria thing...Obesity rates climbed with the advent of highly processed grains, refined sugar(and syrups), and hydrogenated vegetable oils 50-60 years ago. Fake food(and excessive amounts of it) isn't good for you, go figure.
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this is seriously interesting stuff. me and a lot of my friends are fitness devotees (amateur bodybuilding) and it's a fact that some of them- regardless of diet- can't seem to burn off excess fat for the life of them. they gain the size and strength but that childhood adipose tissue never seems to leave. though I don't know where this research will lead to, but I can only guess it'll allow for real drugs to hit the market which actually works against obese-genetics.

If they're gaining strength and size then they're bulking. They're not going to lose any BF% unless they cut. This should be pretty common knowledge among amateur bodybuilders...
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I dare all of you to post your dumb ideas of how weight loss works in the bodybuilding.com MISC section and not get trolled all to hell.

I wouldn't say misc.... most people there are non-lifters.
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I don't see what the big deal is. Calories in vs calories out... if you consume less calories than your body needs to maintain, you're going to lose weight.

So much broscience up in here....

If only it were simple as that...but that's not the case. Eating less does more harm than good.
Source: Personal experience.
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If only it were simple as that...but that's not the case. Eating less does more harm than good.
Source: Personal experience.

Calorie restriction is the only way to lose weight. Intermittent fasting(skip breakfast, eat at 1pm) is very helpful for weight lost, since you continue to fuel yourself off of stored body fat in the morning. The only thing I have zero experience with is binging, and will power in that period, since I personally haven't had issues with weight gain in my past, but I know this is a problem for some. We live in a culture of fake food and snacks available around every corner, of course we're going to be fat.
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Intermittent fasting(skip breakfast, eat at 1pm) is very helpful for weight lostt.

No it isn't because if you skip, you will tend to overeat in other periods.
Too much broscience.
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