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Is it possible for Intel to completely integrate the VRM on to the CPU? Yes.

Will they? We don't know.

Does the level of integration really matter to end users? Probably not.

Does it mean Intel potentially has more control? Sure, of power delivery.

There is no evidence to suggest that Haswell will be locked down, even if portions of the VRM are integrated. Intel could easily lock down their CPUs without any integration of the VRM. So, I'm not really sure why such integration is worrying. If you are on LGA-1155 or 2011 you already have only as much control as Intel has given you.
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This new VRM stuff will allow Intel to do only one thing properly , to CONTROL the market segments.
We can all say bye overclocking for the cheaper chips as this new VRM will come along the socketless strategy.
Boys with money will get their hands on specific chip ranges while the other ones will use the integrated approach.
The future will show us how Intel will make even more money out of their fans.
Of course the VRM integration into the chip will limit the overclocking at least with the first generation.
Those internal thermal/current protections will kick in and limit overclocking in quite a large margin.

wut?

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/15iaet/iama_cpu_architect_and_designer_at_intel_ama/

I fail to see how integrated vrm can be a bad thing. I just see it as another step in their efforts to minimize power consumption for their mobile platforms.
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There is no evidence to suggest that Haswell will be locked down, even if portions of the VRM are integrated. Intel could easily lock down their CPUs without any integration of the VRM. So, I'm not really sure why such integration is worrying. If you are on LGA-1155 or 2011 you already have only as much control as Intel has given you.
 
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Just like speedstep doesn't cause lag either, right?
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That's what I thought at first, but then I saw the detail on this:
-snip-

Then they have some serious technology going on. I don't know at what speeds are they switching, but I bet it's above 10GHz. Because that inductor has a ridiculous inductance in that surface, even at 1GHz.
   
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Good, I like what I'm reading.
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Or not. Watch, if a thread comes up that directly states that it'll be people on either side of the fence who say it, even if it is obviously incorrect.

No offense, but I've read this a dozen or so times, it it still makes no sense. What exactly are you trying to say?
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This post is largely irrelevant as we are talking about circuit integration that has nothing to do with performance; something I and other AMD followers have been long complaining about.

Huh? Another reply to my joking comment that makes no sense.

What performance have you been complaining about? AMD or Intel? If it's a mater of whether or not voltage regulation is a performance issue, then fine, debate all that you wish. If you are convinced that this isn't a performance issue, then why even post on this thread?
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There were motherboards with digital VRM-s made.If you take a look at them you will notice no chocks.The purpose of the chocks is to remove noise from the power supply ,nothing more.They can be very well simulated into silicon if needed.So the assumption that a VRM can t be fully included on the CPU , just because they can t put the inductors (as you see them on most boards) in there is wrong.
But all the people with high hopes from this "secret weapon" will have the chance to see this "revolutionary" stuff at work soon.You wont be happy.
In the mean time on X-bit there is the chart with the new Intel models ,9 and many seem to be intended for non socket usage smile.gif
Digital PWM motherboards still use chokes(look for black cubes around the CPU socket), the only difference is they use a digital circuit rather than an analog one to control the power transistors. If you want more information, google "buck converter"
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Then they have some serious technology going on. I don't know at what speeds are they switching, but I bet it's above 10GHz. Because that inductor has a ridiculous inductance in that surface, even at 1GHz.
They could just have a ridiculously high duty cycle and a lower switching frequency, that would help explain the low efficiency.
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Is it possible for Intel to completely integrate the VRM on to the CPU? Yes.

Will they? We don't know.

Does the level of integration really matter to end users? Probably not.

Does it mean Intel potentially has more control? Sure, of power delivery.

There is no evidence to suggest that Haswell will be locked down, even if portions of the VRM are integrated. Intel could easily lock down their CPUs without any integration of the VRM. So, I'm not really sure why such integration is worrying. If you are on LGA-1155 or 2011 you already have only as much control as Intel has given you.

Intel likely won't remove OCing completely, simply because while it is a niche market it's still a quite a few sales..And it really doesn't cost much to rebrand a server chip, unlock the multiplier and rebrand a chipset as well, much like Socket 2011.
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Just like speedstep doesn't cause lag either, right?

In my testing, it causes very little lag but can lower your max OC 200Mhz or so, same with Cool n Quiet or whatever AMD uses now.
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Or not. Watch, if a thread comes up that directly states that it'll be people on either side of the fence who say it, even if it is obviously incorrect.

No offense, but I've read this a dozen or so times, it it still makes no sense. What exactly are you trying to say?

When Nehalem and SB launched, you had rumours of OCing being locked down and people from both sides of the fence (AMD and Intel) saying it's going to happen, to say that it's an AMD fanboy thing to say is false.
    
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