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I'm pretty sure an on package VRM would help the majority of overclockers with stability, but I doubt it would be designed to provide the crazy voltages used with LN2
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It will. Say goodbye to your overclocks.
First they locked down bclk. Then multiplier. And next comes the power delivery.
I see where is this all leading to.

This will allow for better voltage granularity, so I'm not seeing how this will reduce over-clocking, rather help it if it has any effect at all.

No one should be surprised that the industry wants to converge.
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When Nehalem and SB launched, you had rumours of OCing being locked down and people from both sides of the fence (AMD and Intel) saying it's going to happen, to say that it's an AMD fanboy thing to say is false.

I said no such thing. I merely observed that MOST posts regarding an OC doomsday in THIS thread were posted by people with AMD signatures. You obviously didn't do your homework. I checked the signature of every such post.... Assume what you want.
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I said no such thing. I merely observed that MOST posts regarding an OC doomsday in THIS thread were posted by people with AMD signatures. You obviously didn't do your homework. I checked the signature of every such post.... Assume what you want.
Totally agree this thread and most every other thread on this forum is mostly AMD fanbois. I think this whole site is sponsered by AMD thumb.gif
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post #135 of 163
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Just like speedstep doesn't cause lag either, right?

Speed step dynamically alters clock speeds and powers down whole cores and is mostly unrelated to this.
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I'm pretty sure an on package VRM would help the majority of overclockers with stability, but I doubt it would be designed to provide the crazy voltages used with LN2

I could actually see it going either way. VRMs are generally more efficient and can handle higher current draw at lower temps. Any portions of the VRM on package of a CPU that is LN2 cooled will be running very cold.
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post #136 of 163
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Speed step dynamically alters clock speeds and powers down whole cores and is mostly unrelated to this.

It's supposed to be a power saving measure that is not noticeable. While mostly the case, there were instances that would cause speedstep to freak out and go into low power mode when the user needed full speed. The most well-known case is in multi-threaded games that don't require full use of the CPU. Lag spikes and random freezes were common. I personally noticed it with my 2600 and 2700K when I had them.
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When Nehalem and SB launched, you had rumours of OCing being locked down and people from both sides of the fence (AMD and Intel) saying it's going to happen, to say that it's an AMD fanboy thing to say is false.

I said no such thing. I merely observed that MOST posts regarding an OC doomsday in THIS thread were posted by people with AMD signatures. You obviously didn't do your homework. I checked the signature of every such post.... Assume what you want.

I never said you did, I didn't mean you started them specifically but that they were on OCN in general...This turd has been proven and disproven again and again.
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I said no such thing. I merely observed that MOST posts regarding an OC doomsday in THIS thread were posted by people with AMD signatures. You obviously didn't do your homework. I checked the signature of every such post.... Assume what you want.
Totally agree this thread and most every other thread on this forum is mostly AMD fanbois. I think this whole site is sponsered by AMD thumb.gif

Uh huh, that's why you have so many members who still think there's an appreciable difference between AMD and Intel in gaming and that PD is thoroughly beaten by a Core i5 when in reality, it only loses in gaming, synthetic and a few real world applications? There's a tonne of Intel fanboys, a few hardcore AMD fanboys, a few people who are completely unbiased or almost so.
Generally, whoever leads in gaming benchmarks is the one who most people on OCN are fanboys for, you had a lot of nVidia fanboys when nVidia was decidedly ahead, now you have a lot of AMD fanboys for GPUs, Intel has a lead albeit one that you'll never notice unless you're out of the market that should be considering an AMD CPU anyway (ie. 120Hz screens, dual cards) in gaming so there's a lot of people acting like Intel is extremely ahead of AMD. I'm probably one of the least baised people on this site, I just get whatever is best for whatever use I see for that rig at the time at the price range necessary, for example I have a 4 core BD only because I got it for free, the stuff I do is very fast on an 8 core and have two AM3+ motherboards due to running a Phenom II before, but I recommended an i5 3570k to my girlfriend because she mainly games.
    
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It's supposed to be a power saving measure that is not noticeable. While mostly the case, there were instances that would cause speedstep to freak out and go into low power mode when the user needed full speed. The most well-known case is in multi-threaded games that don't require full use of the CPU. Lag spikes and random freezes were common. I personally noticed it with my 2600 and 2700K when I had them.

So you would recommend having EIST off when gaming on a i7?
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Totally agree this thread and most every other thread on this forum is mostly AMD fanbois. I think this whole site is sponsered by AMD thumb.gif

Tom's have alot of Intel fanbois. thumb.gif


We can't argue that we think this under-minds overclocking a little?
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Is it possible for Intel to completely integrate the VRM on to the CPU? Yes.
Will they? We don't know.
Does the level of integration really matter to end users? Probably not.
Does it mean Intel potentially has more control? Sure, of power delivery.
There is no evidence to suggest that Haswell will be locked down, even if portions of the VRM are integrated. Intel could easily lock down their CPUs without any integration of the VRM. So, I'm not really sure why such integration is worrying. If you are on LGA-1155 or 2011 you already have only as much control as Intel has given you.

It probably won't be integrated based on the layers required for the CPU + VR with the last 2 metal layers not being required for the CPU. If 90nm is all thats needed to get the desires circuit size then putting it on a 22nm chip would be a waste of bleeding edge fab capacity. Plus this keeps the heat away from the CPU cores. Even being cooled by the same heatsink, its not adding any heat density in the CPU area.
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