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So you would recommend having EIST off when gaming on a i7?

Not necessarily. The tech is mostly good, and gets better with each generation. If you do not have problems with Speedstep being on, then leave it on. If you notice odd lag spikes, try turning it off. It was noticeable for me in Source engine games, most noticeably in Portal 2. It also happened in Skyrim to a lesser effect.
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I just bought and built a new computer with the i7 3770K, was my money well spent or I should've waited for the haswell?

p.s. im a noob.
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I just bought and built a new computer with the i7 3770K, was my money well spent or I should've waited for the haswell?

p.s. im a noob.

Need one now? Well spent. Haswell is only about 10% increase. Depending on what you do your pc you probably wouldn't even notice the difference. The real question is rather or not these will overclock better. Of course we aren't going to find out for sure until they are released.
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Motherboards of the future will just be a PCB of sockets and plugs...

Ha! Exactly what I was picturing....A motherboard the same size as the I/O sheild with a CPU socket and a few front panle headers smile.gif
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Need one now? Well spent. Haswell is only about 10% increase. Depending on what you do your pc you probably wouldn't even notice the difference. The real question is rather or not these will overclock better. Of course we aren't going to find out for sure until they are released.

thanks for your opinion.

I built my computer with the following:
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and a thermaltake 800 watt psu
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and Kingston 8gb 16000mhz ram....I think thats it

The build cost was ~$1,500 AUS with Microsoft home 64-bit

I use it for basic use. Maybe some photoshop for school work. Some games, check my profile for my post onj the FPS Im getting if you want....
And i just wanted a super fast computer and a beast performance capabilties smile.gif
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There were motherboards with digital VRM-s made.If you take a look at them you will notice no chocks.The purpose of the chocks is to remove noise from the power supply ,nothing more.They can be very well simulated into silicon if needed.So the assumption that a VRM can t be fully included on the CPU , just because they can t put the inductors (as you see them on most boards) in there is wrong.
Your understanding is violently flawed.

VRMs are basically DC-DC converters and in electronics it requires chopping up the DC into AC using a twin resonant transistor forward converter (Classic DC-DC design) and a diode won't be quite enough to flatten out the ripple so the choke is meant to be in tandem with a cap on board to filter noise (L-C Pi filter)
NOT to clean up PSU noise, if that was the case we wouldn't need VRMs if we were still using Socket 370/Slot A because they dont feature a single VRM on the boards but the choke is there to clean up the PSU noise if there was any
They look the same but they do different things
Back in the low power days (Before intel decided to be stupid and push for 95W+ TDP packages ala NetBurst) they were meant to clean up PSU noise but now it's meant to filter the ripple from the switching process involved in VRMs
Dont talk off your head that has no knowledge about analog electronics and attempt to make a silly point for everyone to believe. And digital VRMs as long as i live will not be a reality simply because it's DIGITAL.
Digital basically has only 2 states, Logic 1 or Logic 0
Voltage will forever be by itself analog, a digital voltage is a hard-on or hard-off voltage
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Digital PWM motherboards still use chokes(look for black cubes around the CPU socket), the only difference is they use a digital circuit rather than an analog one to control the power transistors. If you want more information, google "buck converter"

Wrong is just wrong! Any voltage is analog, digital is merely the way to control it (Thus how you can increase your core voltage)

I'm not going to post like the rest of the AMD overclockers on this thread but. They can potentially lock down voltage control now with the VRM controller integrated and not by Internation Rectifier or the like
What i'm simply saying is, there is capacity for them to lock down voltage control now and leave it only to the highest i7s (*cough*4770k*cough*)
Not that it might be true or possibly true which makes it then in the future if you wanted to play with OC'ing on the cheap you HAVE to go for a AMD
I'm a die-hard AMD fan and i love options. Lack of OC'ing options makes me steer clear of Intel especially when you can't do it on the cheap
How far can you OC a 3220? Quite simply if you don't see a problem now you probably might some day when you're back to the days when you're a budding student overclocker but have tiny budgets
Sure, nothing special like a custom water loop probably a big air heatsink cooling only
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Haswell may offer better effeciency but why is intel mum about performance?
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Haswell may offer better effeciency but why is intel mum about performance?

My GUESS is because the performance difference really isn't all that great and that if they go public with it now, all the performance minded people who are on the fence will most likely just say bag it and go with a 3770K and totally skip the entire Haswell generation all together. Intel would rather have people paying full price for a new Haswell than getting a deal and paying a very low price on a 3770K.
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My guess would be because of two things:
  1. They don't really need to. The industry expects slightly improved performance like Intel traditionally has always offered with this point in their cycle of development. It's predictable. If what Intel plans to deliver deviated vastly greater than this expectation, they'd probably talk about it. It's really unlikely we will see a regression. We're not moving to a drastically redesigned core like AMD did with Stars to Bulldozer.
  2. In this current age, power efficiency is becoming a more important focus than raw power. What we have is more or less "good enough" for most users. Not us, but most users. Couple this with Intel's desire to deliver useful x86 cores in mobile power envelopes, and you will see that that is a big focus for them (and the industry).

Since efficiency is becoming important and performance isn't likely to shatter expectations, that is why I would expect to see what you've asked about.
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1. Before IVB came out intel touted alot about it and BTW Stars is a laptop version of K10.5 not Stars being a desktop chip. Stars worked wonders on the A8-3870k though
2. Top Haswell chip is noted with a 85W TDP.
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