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Originally Posted by Artikbot View Post

How the hell will they cool the package under extreme loads? Liquid unobtanium?

Integration of an efficient VRM is not going to increase total thermal disipation by more than 5% for the chip, and will probably need less cooling than a traditional external VRM that would be dumping most of it's heat into the board under the CPU.

This will make cooling easier, not harder.
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Originally Posted by AznDud333 View Post

he was talking about one of those unstable elements
just because there are more protons doesnt mean its more heat conductive
i doube anything will come out of this for us tho
25A is relatively low for a microprocessor, since the wattage= volt*amps
so an ivy bridge processor would need 77w/1-1.2v
which is a lot higher than 25A

It's 25A per power cell and at least one power cell would be needed for each voltage/clock domain on the chip. An absolute minimum of one per core, and one for the SA.

If has haswell has 20 power cells. Theoretical capacity per chip is 500A, which is way more than enough, even for LN2 OCing. Even if Haswell has only one power cell per core, VRM capacity is going to go up as temperatures go down.
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I'm glad to see this. Better power management ftwwwww

This also probably means AMD is only a couple years off from doing the exact same thing assuming they stay afloat for much longer. I'm sure they will...because even if they "Fail" they'll get bought out by another company and continue to produce CPU's...

/Offtopic.

AMD is in very little danger of dissolving, they're drastically reduced their debt and have competitive products now. (No, gaming is not the be all, end all and other than that the FX-8350 competes quite well)
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Originally Posted by thestache View Post

Neat. I want to see what kind of a difference it can make.

Expect lower power consumption in general.
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Originally Posted by Dromihetes View Post

This new VRM stuff will allow Intel to do only one thing properly , to CONTROL the market segments.
We can all say bye overclocking for the cheaper chips as this new VRM will come along the socketless strategy.

Boys with money will get their hands on specific chip ranges while the other ones will use the integrated approach.

The future will show us how Intel will make even more money out of their fans.

Of course the VRM integration into the chip will limit the overclocking at least with the first generation.
Those internal thermal/current protections will kick in and limit overclocking in quite a large margin.

Just like how we were meant to lose OCing with Nehalem? That happened, didn't it?

Then Sandy Bridge..That definitely happened, it's not like you see 5Ghz ones at all.

When it comes down to it, it'd cost very little to use the same die with OCing enabled (To reasonable levels, as in no OC protection forcing you to small OCs) for extra marketshare.
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Originally Posted by Artikbot View Post

How the hell will they cool the package under extreme loads? Liquid unobtanium?

iirc VRMs in this type of configuration don't actually put out as much heat, etc as VRMs as they do now. Hell, look at the Gigabyte UP* series, they're very cool running.
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This will spell the death of top end overclocking boards, the only differentiations now is the features.

It's been that way for a while now, even Socket 775 only had OCing really suffer (Short of LN2, etc OCers) when you got a really cheap board. As it is now, I can get a cheap ASRock Z77 and OC a 3570k as far as I could on the top ASUS board.
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The Intel guy on Reddit said that SoC isn't really the way and integration has only so much benefit. Gonna take me a bit to refind that little quote though...

I'm not going to link to the specific comment as anyone interested in CPUs should read the whole damn thing, but here.

One bit people saying Haswell is going to suck for OCing should read: "What do you usually do with your system? If you like to overclock, Haswell is worth it"
    
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Why ? Add another die shrink and the RAM etc could all be integrated into a one chip solution. We have come a vast distance from the 6502 and it won't stop anytime soon.
IMHO
dunx
Primary DRAM will never be on die.... however, you see on package DRAM in SoCs already.

The simple reason... is cost. Why include logic blocks that might lower yields that don't improve performance, lower power consumption, or aren't flexible enough.
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http://www.realworldtech.com/near-threshold-voltage/4/
Lies. We at OCN know this is a lie.
Most of OCN don't know jack about HPC. (Nor are willing to pay $5K+ for a single CPU) wink.gif
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http://www.realworldtech.com/near-threshold-voltage/4/
Lies. We at OCN know this is a lie.

anyone who has read anything about supercomputer knows that it's a lie. most HPC machines now use GPUs
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you mean there won't be 20 phases of power on z87 boards like my z68 ud5 gigabyte board??

how am i gonna show off now?
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what will LGA1150 boards look like since VRM will be integrated...NAKED ? rolleyes.gif
     
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what will LGA1150 boards look like since VRM will be integrated...NAKED ? rolleyes.gif
Put more VRMs; you can never have enough VRMs. tongue.gif
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you mean there won't be 20 phases of power on z87 boards like my z68 ud5 gigabyte board??

how am i gonna show off now?

"My motherboard is bright pink and has Nyan cat on the heatsink!"
    
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"My motherboard is bright pink and has Nyan cat on the heatsink!"

Yours too!?
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If boards ever lose external VRM's, I want them to fill that gap with something that's actually useful. I want IB-E to have memory slots surrounding the socket on all four sides biggrin.gif

Seriously though, I love technology, but am still ticked at the sheer amount of programming that's already ancient; as in, single-threaded. I want, and have always wanted, a super-fast unlocked i3 with HT. Everyone here has. But that little thing called "the market isn't big enough" and "it will steal sales away from i5 models" gets in the way. Give me my 6Ghz i3. Now.

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