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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

To be clear, Intel didn't "lock down" bclk.... they just linked more components to it to reduce cost and complexity.
Of course, the side effect is that overclocking with the bclk is now limited by the component that overclocks the worst.... which means only a few MHz flexibility.
This is on package level and eventually on die.... overclockers don't usually mod package traces, repair blown fuses, laser cut dies, or program microcode.

In other words it is "locked down" as opposed to the way it was before..I know semantics. biggrin.gif

I seriously think this will be / is a huge game changer. Notice they are smart as they 5% you in their changes towards the New World Order. So 5 years from now they'll have full control even more than they do today and no one will remember how it used to be. "Overclock what? Why would you want to?, Here drink this Coolaid, psst, Guards this guy over here is not conforming, Get Him". ph34r2.gif

Unfortunately the success of consumer "dumb" devices (phones / tablets etc) and the willingness of the masses to blindly throw their money at Apple , Samsung etc will shape Hardware manufacturers priorities for some time...

Yes we are screwed though. rolleyes.gif

OT: I was hoping Microsofts consumer Surface devices were going to be like Minority Report Panels to do something revolutionary. Nope they are just chasing Apple's success with phones and Tablets albeit 3 years behind...again.
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Know anyone who has, can reprogram, and load microcode to an Intel CPU? wink.gif
Besides, some of the hardware is physically disabled anyways.

*the sound of hopes being thrown from the high cliff of OCed CPU performance*
we could try tongue.gif maybe it might be something that is embed in the BIOS of all lga1150 chips and we'd find a way to crack it... *still hoping*

but realistically i think that intel would do the same, or very similar, k series or something that would give us the ability to crank up voltage (to a certain limit so we won't burn the earth down biggrin.gif )
i'm certain of this because i'm sure that intel would like to continue to break (their own) GHz records with those fancy LN2 overclocking.

also, it is possible that Haswell might overclock better in regards to the voltage increae to additional GHz OC ratio. /optimism
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No matter what the specs say we will either have low overclocks either blowing up CPU-s.
Those circuits that will "control" the VRM-s will have feed-backs in relation to the state of the CPU itself and most probable less headroom will be available than with the actual chips .
They did this for "granularity" ,they say nowhere that the overclocking will be better.
Sorry ,but this CPU-s will be expensive and bad overclockers
The generation that comes after this one will add the lack of sockets.
Intel is in the process of nailing it for market control and profits .
There's no reason that this design would inherently limit maximum voltlage.

Intel already said that they will continue to have user replaceable CPUs.
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In other words it is "locked down" as opposed to the way it was before..I know semantics. biggrin.gif
I seriously think this will be / is a huge game changer. Notice they are smart as they 5% you in their changes towards the New World Order. So 5 years from now they'll have full control even more than they do today and no one will remember how it used to be. "Overclock what? Why would you want to?, Here drink this Coolaid, psst, Guards this guy over here is not conforming, Get Him". ph34r2.gif
Unfortunately the success of consumer "dumb" devices (phones / tablets etc) and the willingness of the masses to blindly throw their money at Apple , Samsung etc will shape Hardware manufacturers priorities for some time...
Yes we are screwed though. rolleyes.gif
OT: I was hoping Microsofts consumer Surface devices were going to be like Minority Report Panels to do something revolutionary. Nope they are just chasing Apple's success with phones and Tablets albeit 3 years behind...again.
You have to realize something... Overclockers are the minority.

Saving a few watts where ever they can is important not only for mobile devices but data centers. So the two most important future markets are demanding this... so Intel follows.


Minority Report Panels suck in the real-world. I know someone who works at a research lab wired with touchscreens and dislikes them. The truth is that your arms get tired! I believe in Minority Report, Tom Cruise had to take breaks shooting those screens to rest his arms.
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Saving a few watts where ever they can is important not only for mobile devices but data centers. So the two most important future markets are demanding this... so Intel follows.
Minority Report Panels suck in the real-world. I know someone who works at a research lab wired with touchscreens and dislikes them. The truth is that your arms get tired! I believe in Minority Report, Tom Cruise had to take breaks shooting those screens to rest his arms.

I really had no idea about the fatigue factor in Large Panels, so thanks for the enlightenment therein. Something to think about.

As well, the Datacenter power efficiency is a definite of course. My Datacenter has nearly 2500 odd servers and a mixture of VM Commercial Blades where needed. We are looking into a full revamp after purchasing all AMD years ago, and the age is showing as over 1500 are EOL (End of Life) on the hardware and not supported by the vendor anymore under the normal contract. they'll still service them at a higher cost of course.

Truth be told I'm more concerned about graphics and the push towards the holy grail of photorealistic graphics on cards in my lifetime...So if CPU's aren't getting in the way and or bottlenecking this process in the future so be it. thanks for the discourse smile.gif
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I think they can fit the VRM on package, but could you imagine 320 tiny chokes everywhere?

Then again, there were a ton of little SMD mounted bits on the package shot, I don't think there were 320 of them though, maybe 80. I have a feeling the first person to de-lid haswell is going to have a bad time.
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I really had no idea about the fatigue factor in Large Panels, so thanks for the enlightenment therein. Something to think about.
As well, the Datacenter power efficiency is a definite of course. My Datacenter has nearly 2500 odd servers and a mixture of VM Commercial Blades where needed. We are looking into a full revamp after purchasing all AMD years ago, and the age is showing as over 1500 are EOL (End of Life) on the hardware and not supported by the vendor anymore under the normal contract. they'll still service them at a higher cost of course.
Truth be told I'm more concerned about graphics and the push towards the holy grail of photorealistic graphics on cards in my lifetime...So if CPU's aren't getting in the way and or bottlenecking this process in the future so be it. thanks for the discourse smile.gif

Try holding your arm up for 30 mins... ...try it for 4 hrs now. tongue.gif

I am a developer on about 40-50 servers... You guys don't have a end of life-cycle plan? We have to replace servers every 5 years.
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I guess I'm the only one who, as an overclocker, is slightly concerned that this will actually be a negative thing ...

It will. Say goodbye to your overclocks.

First they locked down bclk. Then multiplier. And next comes the power delivery.

I see where is this all leading to.

No, it won't. There was an Intel designer who worked on Haswell and was working on Broadwell who said Haswell is going to be a great overclocker.
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Motherboards of the future will just be a PCB of sockets and plugs...

It's not worth putting plenty of stuff on the CPU, we'll likely still have southbridges among other things on the motherboard.
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In other words it is "locked down" as opposed to the way it was before..I know semantics. biggrin.gif
I seriously think this will be / is a huge game changer. Notice they are smart as they 5% you in their changes towards the New World Order. So 5 years from now they'll have full control even more than they do today and no one will remember how it used to be. "Overclock what? Why would you want to?, Here drink this Coolaid, psst, Guards this guy over here is not conforming, Get Him". ph34r2.gif
Unfortunately the success of consumer "dumb" devices (phones / tablets etc) and the willingness of the masses to blindly throw their money at Apple , Samsung etc will shape Hardware manufacturers priorities for some time...
Yes we are screwed though. rolleyes.gif
OT: I was hoping Microsofts consumer Surface devices were going to be like Minority Report Panels to do something revolutionary. Nope they are just chasing Apple's success with phones and Tablets albeit 3 years behind...again.
You have to realize something... Overclockers are the minority.

Saving a few watts where ever they can is important not only for mobile devices but data centers. So the two most important future markets are demanding this... so Intel follows.


Minority Report Panels suck in the real-world. I know someone who works at a research lab wired with touchscreens and dislikes them. The truth is that your arms get tired! I believe in Minority Report, Tom Cruise had to take breaks shooting those screens to rest his arms.

Hence why OCers will likely get rebranded server/workstation chips and an OCable chipset.

So many conspiracy theorists in this topic, an Intel engineer who has worked on Broadwell and confirmed that Skymont is not the name of Skylakes die-shrink among other things has said Intel's going to keep OCing and I really can't see why not, give us some of the server chips and just enable OCing, it's not really that difficult considering the headroom on these chips and that it's multiplier OCing.
    
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I think they can fit the VRM on package, but could you imagine 320 tiny chokes everywhere?

Then again, there were a ton of little SMD mounted bits on the package shot, I don't think there were 320 of them though, maybe 80. I have a feeling the first person to de-lid haswell is going to have a bad time.

 

 So much LOL !!

 

 

 I cant even..  wheee.gif  .. seriously though ..wth.gif  Why do people feel that they are obligated to leave a comment on a topic they so obviously know so little about..?

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 So much LOL !!


 I cant even..  wheee.gif   .. seriously though ..wth.gif   Why do people feel that they are obligated to leave a comment on a topic they so obviously know so little about..?
You're right. I am absolutely clueless about putting inductors in an IC. I've never seen a buck converter without the choke packaged separately from the transistors. I've just seen the switching transistors packaged with the mosfet driver.
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So what is your guys honest opinion wait for haswell or do ivybridge?
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