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So what is your guys honest opinion wait for haswell or do ivybridge?

Seeing that you're using a 920 you might as well wait, still beastly CPUs those.
 
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post #92 of 163
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So what is your guys honest opinion wait for haswell or do ivybridge?

Imo if your need upgrading soon, get the Ivy now (i7-3770K sells for $229.99+Tax at Microcenter) and sell your CPU+Mobo if you like the Haswell review & find a Z87 board you like(this may take another 2-3 month after release), since the latest update on Haswell seem to be pointing to a release in late May/Early June.

but if you are still doing well on the 920, waiting for Haswell will be the better option.
Edited by sherlock - 12/28/12 at 5:39pm
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If VRM fails on CPU we need CPU..

My only fault with even putting GPU inside CPU is that when it fails it all fails and it's more costly to replace.

I guess that's the future though, at the same time, the chances of failure probably decrease due to the best quality control from intel,
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post #94 of 163
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So what is your guys honest opinion wait for haswell or do ivybridge?
Keep your 920. Otherwise, I would not recommend the waiting game; you'll never end up buying anything.
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Motherboards of the future will just be a PCB of sockets and plugs...

Sounds like a breadboard with an 8255 so I doubt it.

Seems like Intel's way of reducing power by adding more parts to the CPU. I'd take the word of the Intel AMA guy. More advanced process VRM = more smooth power delivery.

Ha to those suggesting DRAM will be on CPU die....they've never seen a cross section of either. Logic and memory processes are completely different.
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So what is your guys honest opinion wait for haswell or do ivybridge?

Wait for Haswell, everyone saying OCing will be locked has no idea what they're talking about (Intel engineers have said it's extremely OCable) and it's only going to be faster than Ivy, which is all that's stopping me from getting an i7.
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Motherboards of the future will just be a PCB of sockets and plugs...

Sounds like a breadboard with an 8255 so I doubt it.

Seems like Intel's way of reducing power by adding more parts to the CPU. I'd take the word of the Intel AMA guy. More advanced process VRM = more smooth power delivery.

Ha to those suggesting DRAM will be on CPU die....they've never seen a cross section of either. Logic and memory processes are completely different.

Honestly, I don't see much more being integrated on the CPU after this; Intel will go mostly BGA but have LGA sockets for servers and enthusiasts most likely too.
    
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Wait for Haswell, everyone saying OCing will be locked has no idea what they're talking about (Intel engineers have said it's extremely OCable) and it's only going to be faster than Ivy, which is all that's stopping me from getting an i7.
Honestly, I don't see much more being integrated on the CPU after this; Intel will go mostly BGA but have LGA sockets for servers and enthusiasts most likely too.

Waiting was my original plan, then I looked up used Sandy's E-bay prices and then decided to snatch a $229.99+$15 in tax 3770K from Microcenter. The thing is you can sell your Z77 & 3770K for very good value 7-8 month from now (Haswell releases to retail in early June, probably another month or two until you read enough reviews/find a motherboard you like) and you get 8 month with the 3770K, plus the first few month Haswell/Z87 prices will be artifically inflated due to them being a new product.

Ofc this depends on your local 3770K prices.
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So... the CPU makes weapons?

But I'm not sure how a voltage regulator is a weapon... or why intel would bother to make a cpu secrete them.
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Yes, but since you have to once again lower the 12V back down to a usable voltage, you will generate more heat from the DC/DC converter ... inside an area that already gets overly hot.

While I share your concerns about Intel having more control over power delivery, the technical aspects of integrating the VRM are superior to an external one.

It will be more efficient, potentially able to deliver more power, and be easier to cool, not the opposite.

We are talking 95%+ efficiency on the VRM (good external ones are already at 90-95%), so if the CPU needs 100w, the VRM will only add 5w more to total package power. This is trivial, and probably less heat added to the package than would be added by a traditional, external VRM heating the area around the CPU by 20-30C.
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