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I've personally seen the FX-6300 in action and it's no slouch. Very snappy for most games out there. A friend has one in his machine and he loves it. May not be the baddest thing on the block but it sure packs a wallop. biggrin.gif

Yep, in the real world it's extremely hard to tell the difference between AMD and Intel for gaming.
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Who would really buy a $190 Vishera clocked at 3.3GHz - 3.6GHz turbo when microcenter is shipping i5 2500K's for $140?

People who know the difference is unnoticeable in gaming and that the FX-8350 is faster for tasks such as compression, encryption, transcoding and rendering? I'm sick of this gaming = the world mentality a lot of OCN holds and pretends every enthusiast holds.

As mentioned, Microcenter isn't available to everyone; I can only get the FX-8350 for $219, an i5 3570k for $229 and the i7 3770k for $335.
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Where's Piledriver in those charts?
It wasn't released at the time. But, if someone has enough courage to do the math for Zambezi to Sandy. I think they'll be surprised at the outcome of Piledriver to Ivy.
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There's some speculation on SemiAccurate that Vishera and possibly Trinity don't have RCM/don't have a complete implementation of RCM, hence why AMD's bringing out Richland before Kaveri.

Those parts do not have RCM, 100% certainty.

AMD even sent Toms hardware a correction email after Tom's said RCM was in piledriver (which is what AMDs roadmap had originally suggested)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328.html
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People who know the difference is unnoticeable in gaming

So people who are wrong or blind. Gotcha.
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People who know the difference is unnoticeable in gaming

So people who are wrong or blind. Gotcha.

The difference isn't as gigantic as you'd like it to be.




And that's with Bulldozer, not Piledriver.
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You call rubbish and mock them for considering it a very real possibility yet I see no evidence or argument as a counter point to why it is NOT possible. Please give us some detail if you can besides just using bulldozer as a cherry picked example. I want an actual reason why 30% is somehow deemed impossible yet 15% was promised and done last time. IIRC, people said Piledriver would be maybe 4-5% better than BD.

Because not since netburst => conroe was there a 30% IPC increase from generation to generation...
 
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You call rubbish and mock them for considering it a very real possibility yet I see no evidence or argument as a counter point to why it is NOT possible. Please give us some detail if you can besides just using bulldozer as a cherry picked example. I want an actual reason why 30% is somehow deemed impossible yet 15% was promised and done last time. IIRC, people said Piledriver would be maybe 4-5% better than BD.

Because not since netburst => conroe was there a 30% IPC increase from generation to generation...

The doubling of the front end alone should increase IPC by ~20%; with the other changes it's far from implausible.
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The shared resources are a big letdown for the FX series, so I guess that will bring a big performance boost, but Intel will also boost the performance of their desktop parts, unless they get too lazy biggrin.gif

I still would like to experiment with both Haswell and the new Steamroller chips once they are out, seems like fun.
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People who know the difference is unnoticeable in gaming

So people who are wrong or blind. Gotcha.

Do you really want me to prove I've got easy access to both an i5 3570k and my FX-4170? Naturally, even if I have a video of both rigs running side by side with the same GPU, you'd still deny it I bet, or claim that the Intel rig was running a worse GPU. That's why I laugh when I see people saying that Intel is so much faster for gaming, yes they are faster but not by as much as is suggested in reviews, I know, I've gamed on both extensively.
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When using modern high resolutions the gpu is the bottleneck. and the cpu is less relevant.
The AMD chips will be in a disadvantage when the cpu has to do more physics work or the game is coded to be more cpu bound like Starcraft 2, Crysis 1/2 and some other games...
I gamed on a friend's fx8120 at 4.5ghz paired with a gtx580 and it was ok for 1080p gaming, the thing with low res game benchmarks is to see which cpu is objectively better, that's all.
In the end it may or may not matter to you. For most people it won't matter, for people like me it does, so I pick my gear for the task at hand.
For example to bench gpus and get good scores I rely on my Z77 board and cpu, but for getting some more points in cpu-z or some other benchmarks perhaps older chips can do it for me, or AMD fx or Deneb cores.
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