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post #31 of 159
12/27/12 at 1:45pm
AMD is known for running their chips at a stupidly high stock voltage... might as well undervolt an 8320; surely the silicon isn't much different if at all between this and the other Vishera chips.
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I'll say it once and I'll say it again:

the amount of money you save from buying a bulldozer chip OVER the Intel equivalent is rendered useless after the power bills start coming in. In the long run you SAVE money by going Intel. No reason to buy an AMD. Sorry fanboys - just being real with you guys.

The difference between them is something like 50W, plus if you're talking about i5s AMD completes tasks much quicker (unless we're talking about gaming and stuff). Since the tasks are completed quicker, energy is being used over a shorter period of time. So while maximum energy usage might be much higher, the actual difference is much smaller.

If you're talking about i7s, I don't know where you live but here in the USA such a small difference in power usage does not amount to that kind of money. Even if you're talking Micro Center deals.
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This chip is just undervolted and underclocked for more money lol.

What do you think Intel's low-TDP chips are?
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12/27/12 at 1:46pm
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I'll say it once and I'll say it again:
the amount of money you save from buying a bulldozer chip OVER the Intel equivalent is rendered useless after the power bills start coming in. In the long run you SAVE money by going Intel. No reason to buy an AMD. Sorry fanboys - just being real with you guys. This chip is just undervolted and underclocked for more money lol.

Maybe if you have your system at 100% load 24/7 and overclock the AMD to 4.8+ ghz. Otherwise there will be no noticeable difference as far as the utility bills go. That is the reality of it.
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Originally Posted by j3st3r View Post

I'll say it once and I'll say it again:

the amount of money you save from buying a bulldozer chip OVER the Intel equivalent is rendered useless after the power bills start coming in. In the long run you SAVE money by going Intel. No reason to buy an AMD. Sorry fanboys - just being real with you guys. This chip is just undervolted and underclocked for more money lol.

Why you talking about Bulldozer? Vishera is not as power hungry. And the difference in power bills between the 2 are really not by much.
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12/27/12 at 2:10pm
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Yes ,but you see ,on this planet there are also other countries, non-USA ones where the wonder store microcenter does not exist.
So ,you see ,when in my country the better Intel chip costs 30% more , guess what i am buying smile.gif
Not sure where you're residing, Mars? Nowhere does the 3570k cost 30% more than a 8350, let alone a 2500k.

But hey, it's your loss anyway ^^
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12/27/12 at 2:14pm
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AMD is known for running their chips at a stupidly high stock voltage... might as well undervolt an 8320; surely the silicon isn't much different if at all between this and the other Vishera chips.
The difference between them is something like 50W, plus if you're talking about i5s AMD completes tasks much quicker (unless we're talking about gaming and stuff). Since the tasks are completed quicker, energy is being used over a shorter period of time. So while maximum energy usage might be much higher, the actual difference is much smaller.
If you're talking about i7s, I don't know where you live but here in the USA such a small difference in power usage does not amount to that kind of money. Even if you're talking Micro Center deals.
What do you think Intel's low-TDP chips are?

To add to that, even when gaming with 8 cores available you are barely putting a load on the cpu itself. Gaming doesn't even remotely 100% use the FX-8 series so it's not using nearly as much power as it would if it was under 100% load.
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12/27/12 at 2:43pm
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I'll say it once and I'll say it again:
the amount of money you save from buying a bulldozer chip OVER the Intel equivalent is rendered useless after the power bills start coming in. In the long run you SAVE money by going Intel. No reason to buy an AMD. Sorry fanboys - just being real with you guys. This chip is just undervolted and underclocked for more money lol.

you're right, an i3 which costs the same as my FX6100 will consume less power day to day...
but its also a lot slower in video rendering, and will take more time to finish a video project.
Now which one will cost me more in the long run?
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12/27/12 at 2:53pm
This might get me to upgrade sooner rather than hold out for steamroller.

For thuban the 95W version was nice. Just like the Deneb 125w from 140W
(C3> C2 stepping).

X6 95W @4GHz - Power Consumption - idle


X6 95W @4GHz - Power Consumption - load (Prime95)


Don't know why intel owners are so insecure. I have build an i5-750 4.0GHz, i7-920 3.8GHz and
i5-2500K 4.5GHz systems for friends. I use those systems all them time myself. But I never feel
the need to post negative things in forums.
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12/27/12 at 4:32pm
These fanboyish replies are non sense...

Thing is this lower clocked part has lower tdp cause of that and that alone. The price difference is merely cause of a money conversion done on the fly, which doesn't reflect the real price it will have once it hits the shelves in the US or wherever.

And for the performance thing, AMD FX chips offer good value for a person that needs multi threaded performance and wants to save money and don't intend to just game on their rigs. If you are really serious and saving time doing multi thread stuff generates you profit then you need an X79 system and not a 3770k.

For the gaming part, an i3 2100 beats the crap out of any AMD chip in single thread, heck my G620 dual beats every AMD chip even 5ghz fx ones in superpi32m for example, and does good at gaming.
You can build a cheap ass H61 rig with a G620 for much less than an AMD system with an fx chip and still game ok.
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12/27/12 at 4:47pm
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if you are going to put it that way, you can put intel CPU on idle too, right?
Oh yeah, I forgot! I forgot they can both idle! Silly me!

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LL

http://www.targetmap.com/viewer.aspx?reportId=9037

So, if we do the math, I dunno, carry the zeros....assuming the average price for energy is $0.11 per KWh.

Whats the power consumption difference monthly? Assuming say 8 hours of on-time. Rendering for 1 hour, 3 hours of gaming, 2 hours of browsing and 2 hours of movie playback. From there you can choose to leave the computers idle overnight or shut them down. What's your monthly total assuming a 31 day month?
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These fanboyish replies are non sense...

Thing is this lower clocked part has lower tdp cause of that and that alone. The price difference is merely cause of a money conversion done on the fly, which doesn't reflect the real price it will have once it hits the shelves in the US or wherever.

And for the performance thing, AMD FX chips offer good value for a person that needs multi threaded performance and wants to save money and don't intend to just game on their rigs. If you are really serious and saving time doing multi thread stuff generates you profit then you need an X79 system and not a 3770k.

For the gaming part, an i3 2100 beats the crap out of any AMD chip in single thread, heck my G620 dual beats every AMD chip even 5ghz fx ones in superpi32m for example, and does good at gaming.
You can build a cheap ass H61 rig with a G620 for much less than an AMD system with an fx chip and still game ok.

SuperPi uses x87 and is irrelevant. In the real world your G620 can't stand up to a 5GHz 8350 in anything. In gaming the 8350 is usually between the i3-3220 and i5-3470 at stock.
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AMD FX-8320 @ 4.5GHz 24/7 / 4.8GHz Benchmarking Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3 Radeon HD 7950 @ 1200/1800 8GB Samsung 30nm DDR3 @ 2000MHz 11-11-11-28-1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
128GB Crucial M4 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 2TB Seagate Barracuda ST 7200 RPM who cares 
CoolingOSOSOS
Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Windows 7 Fedora GNU/Linux Gentoo GNU/Linux 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell UltraSharp U2412M CM Storm Trigger MX Brown Rosewill HIVE 650W Corsair Carbide 300R 
Mouse
Logitech G400 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD OPTERON BULLDOZER 16-CORE 2GHZ (32GHZ TOTAL) ALIENWARE 3+1 PHASE ITX 4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GT 430 32GB DDR3 800MHZ CL13 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
2TB 5400RPM BLU RAY BURNER ONE CASE FAN UBUNTU W/ UNITY (I AM 1337 H4X0R) 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
HD-READY 24" 1366X768 PENTILE TN PANEL; 256K CO... ALIENWARE TACTX UBER 1337 BACKLIT RUBBER MEMBRA... OFF-BRAND 200W; 65% EFFICIENCY  ALIENWARE WITH THE COOL GLOWING ALIEN 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
ALIENWARE TACTX ALIENWARE MOUSEPAD IT'S DESIGNED FOR GAMING AND... BEATS AUDIO 16 CORES!!!! 4GB VRAM!!!! FASTER THAN 3960X + 7... 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-3420M OC 2.2GHz / 3GHz Turbo 1.10625v ASUS A53Z AMD Radeon HD 6520G 6GB DDR3 1333MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
320GB WD Scorpio Black yes. really good Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Fedora GNU/Linux 1366x768 LED-backlit TN panel Decent + numpad ~5hr 6-cell li-ion 
Audio
Altec Lansing 
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