Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [EXPReview]AMD begins to sell FX-8300 processor with 95W TDP
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[EXPReview]AMD begins to sell FX-8300 processor with 95W TDP - Page 8

post #71 of 159
12/28/12 at 12:05pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePath View Post

AMD marketing slides is your proof ?! LOL
It more accurate to say that AMD claims 30% increase, instead of saying it going to be 30%
Besides that AMD could always use a cherrypicked test to support their 30% claims

30% is quite believable. It has been shown that the single decoder is a significant bottleneck, especially when both cores in the module are used. It has also been shown that the decoder is a significant bottleneck for the FPU core in general.

Reducing branch mispredictions will significantly boost performance in most applications, and will net little performance increase in applications that don't have a lot of branch mispredictions. Same with the micro-op cache.
Millenium Falcon
(21 items)
  		  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 3820 MSI X79A-GD65 8D Gigabyte HD6990 Patriot Viper II Sector 7 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Corsair Force 3 Maxtor Western Digital Green Samsung BD/DVD-RW 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Swiftech MCP655 Black Ice GTS 420 Black Ice GTX 360 XSPC D5 Tank Reservoir 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
XSPC Rasa XSPC Razor HD6990 fullcover block Windows 8 64-bit Professional 3x Acer A231H 
PowerCase
Seasonic M12D 750w Cooler Master Cosmos 1000 
View all
  hide details  
Reply
Millenium Falcon
(21 items)
  		  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 3820 MSI X79A-GD65 8D Gigabyte HD6990 Patriot Viper II Sector 7 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Corsair Force 3 Maxtor Western Digital Green Samsung BD/DVD-RW 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Swiftech MCP655 Black Ice GTS 420 Black Ice GTX 360 XSPC D5 Tank Reservoir 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
XSPC Rasa XSPC Razor HD6990 fullcover block Windows 8 64-bit Professional 3x Acer A231H 
PowerCase
Seasonic M12D 750w Cooler Master Cosmos 1000 
View all
  hide details  
Reply
post #72 of 159
12/28/12 at 12:09pm
  • Joined: Jan 2012
  • Location: Hell
  • Posts: 709
  • Rep: 19 (Unique: 17)
  • Folding Team Rank: 965
  •  
    Name Team Rank Points / May Work Units / May
    j3st3r[xeon] 965 2,008,669 / 22,306 460 / 4
     
  • Select All Posts By This User
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsumi View Post

30% is quite believable. It has been shown that the single decoder is a significant bottleneck, especially when both cores in the module are used. It has also been shown that the decoder is a significant bottleneck for the FPU core in general.
Reducing branch mispredictions will significantly boost performance in most applications, and will net little performance increase in applications that don't have a lot of branch mispredictions. Same with the micro-op cache.

Didn't know we have so many AMD engineers here at OCN.

I call rubbish on 30%, too.
Reply
Reply
post #73 of 159
12/28/12 at 12:23pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by j3st3r View Post

Didn't know we have so many AMD engineers here at OCN.
I call rubbish on 30%, too.

You call rubbish and mock them for considering it a very real possibility yet I see no evidence or argument as a counter point to why it is NOT possible. Please give us some detail if you can besides just using bulldozer as a cherry picked example. I want an actual reason why 30% is somehow deemed impossible yet 15% was promised and done last time. IIRC, people said Piledriver would be maybe 4-5% better than BD.
Heavyarms - Main PC
(17 items)
 
Opteron 180 - Lubuntu/XP File Server
(8 items)
 
HP-Compaq nc8430 - Laptop
(6 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 Asrock 970 Extreme 3 XFX Double D 7970 Ghz Edition G.Skill Sniper DDR3 1866 @ 1600 (4x4gb) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial m4 128gb Seagate Barracuda 500gb Western Digital 500gb Velociraptor Western Digital 2tb usb 3.0 External Drive 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG blu ray 14x  Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Evo Windows 7 pro 64 Asus vh242 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
NZXT Hale-82 850w Thermaltake v3 black Logitech g400 xtrac pads 
Audio
Asus Xonar DG 
View all
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Opteron 180  Gigabyte GA-K8U-939 Sparkle Geforce 6200 256mb Fanless - AGP 8x 3gb (2x 512mb, 2x 1gb) DDR400 
Hard DriveOSOSPower
200gb Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm Windows XP Home 32bit Lubuntu 12.10 OCZ GameXstream 700w 
View all
CPUGraphicsHard DriveOptical Drive
Intel Core Duo t2400 ATi x1600 2gb ddr2 667 60gb 5400rpm 
CoolingOS
DVD burner Windows XP Professional 
View all
  hide details  
Reply
Heavyarms - Main PC
(17 items)
 
Opteron 180 - Lubuntu/XP File Server
(8 items)
 
HP-Compaq nc8430 - Laptop
(6 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 Asrock 970 Extreme 3 XFX Double D 7970 Ghz Edition G.Skill Sniper DDR3 1866 @ 1600 (4x4gb) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial m4 128gb Seagate Barracuda 500gb Western Digital 500gb Velociraptor Western Digital 2tb usb 3.0 External Drive 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG blu ray 14x  Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Evo Windows 7 pro 64 Asus vh242 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
NZXT Hale-82 850w Thermaltake v3 black Logitech g400 xtrac pads 
Audio
Asus Xonar DG 
View all
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Opteron 180  Gigabyte GA-K8U-939 Sparkle Geforce 6200 256mb Fanless - AGP 8x 3gb (2x 512mb, 2x 1gb) DDR400 
Hard DriveOSOSPower
200gb Seagate Barracuda 7200rpm Windows XP Home 32bit Lubuntu 12.10 OCZ GameXstream 700w 
View all
CPUGraphicsHard DriveOptical Drive
Intel Core Duo t2400 ATi x1600 2gb ddr2 667 60gb 5400rpm 
CoolingOS
DVD burner Windows XP Professional 
View all
  hide details  
Reply
post #74 of 159
12/28/12 at 12:38pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by M3T4LM4N222 View Post

In all honesty I am waiting for an AMD platform that offers PCI-Express 3.0. I know it's not completely relevant right now but the fact that the 7970 and the GTX 680 can saturate a PCI-Express 2.0 means in the next couple of years the majority of gaming cards will be able to do the same.

http://technewspedia.com/asus-announces-new-sabertooth-990fxgen3-card-r2-0/ redface.gif
Teh computerer
(17 items)
  		  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD K15 Crosshair V Formula Club 3D 7970 Royal Queen Kingston  
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Kingston  Kingston HyperX WD Caviar Blue Corsair H100 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Home Premium HP 2309m ViewSonic VA902 Microsoft Sidewinder X6 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Nexus NX-5000 530W Cooler Master HAF X CM Storm Inferno CM Storm Tactics 
Audio
Logitech X-530 5.1 
View all
  hide details  
Reply
Teh computerer
(17 items)
  		  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD K15 Crosshair V Formula Club 3D 7970 Royal Queen Kingston  
RAMHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Kingston  Kingston HyperX WD Caviar Blue Corsair H100 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 7 Home Premium HP 2309m ViewSonic VA902 Microsoft Sidewinder X6 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Nexus NX-5000 530W Cooler Master HAF X CM Storm Inferno CM Storm Tactics 
Audio
Logitech X-530 5.1 
View all
  hide details  
Reply
post #75 of 159
12/28/12 at 12:43pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by j3st3r View Post

Didn't know we have so many AMD engineers here at OCN.
I call rubbish on 30%, too.

That is the same thing I was thinking. smile.gif

I don't think it is "rubbish" though.
Reply
Reply
post #76 of 159
12/28/12 at 12:46pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red1776 View Post

Where do you get that from? Neither will saturate a PCIE 2.0. I would like to see your evidence of that.
Here is mine contrary to it.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/1.html
****BTW, how do you like your A10-5800 & ASUS A85X V PRO platform? and what do you use it for? ****


I love it. Works great for 1080P gaming that I do. The real selling point for me was that it only cost $320 for the CPU + GPU + Mobo + RAM. I actually have videos if you're interested. My channel The motherboard is absolutely solid. Great UEFI naviation, fast post time and all the options you'll ever need.


In gaming, PCI-E 3.0 doesn't make a huge difference with low resolution, single card solutions. However in compute applications PCI-E 3.0 shines.













Edited by M3T4LM4N222 - 12/28/12 at 12:55pm
Trinity POWER
(12 items)
  		  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A10-5800K ASUS F2A85-M Pro XFX 6670 1GB GDDR5 8GB Samsung low voltage "MAGIC RAM" 1866MHZ 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
120GB Agility3 SSD Rocketfish CM Rebrand Windows 7 Professional 64 HP 23bw 1920 x 1080 IPS Panel 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer Blackwidow MX Blue's 550W Basiq Power Modular Silverstone PS07 Logitech G500 
View all
  hide details  
Reply
Trinity POWER
(12 items)
  		  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
A10-5800K ASUS F2A85-M Pro XFX 6670 1GB GDDR5 8GB Samsung low voltage "MAGIC RAM" 1866MHZ 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
120GB Agility3 SSD Rocketfish CM Rebrand Windows 7 Professional 64 HP 23bw 1920 x 1080 IPS Panel 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Razer Blackwidow MX Blue's 550W Basiq Power Modular Silverstone PS07 Logitech G500 
View all
  hide details  
Reply
post #77 of 159
12/28/12 at 12:53pm
  • Joined: Jan 2012
  • Location: Hell
  • Posts: 709
  • Rep: 19 (Unique: 17)
  • Folding Team Rank: 965
  •  
    Name Team Rank Points / May Work Units / May
    j3st3r[xeon] 965 2,008,669 / 22,306 460 / 4
     
  • Select All Posts By This User
Quote:
Originally Posted by SoloCamo View Post

You call rubbish and mock them for considering it a very real possibility yet I see no evidence or argument as a counter point to why it is NOT possible. Please give us some detail if you can besides just using bulldozer as a cherry picked example. I want an actual reason why 30% is somehow deemed impossible yet 15% was promised and done last time. IIRC, people said Piledriver would be maybe 4-5% better than BD.

Because historically new iterations of processors have always fallen in between 10-15% improvements. Where is YOUR evidence to the contrary?
Edited by j3st3r - 12/28/12 at 12:56pm
Reply
Reply
post #78 of 159
12/28/12 at 1:11pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by j3st3r View Post

Didn't know we have so many AMD engineers here at OCN.
I call rubbish on 30%, too.

You can't read articles? How about the in depth Anandtech article, right here?

All of those are very real and actual improvements AMD is working on. The double decoder alone should ensure a significantly smaller penalty on multithreaded tasks (instead of ~1.8x performance, it'll be much closer to 2x performance when using both cores in the module). That alone is a 20% increase in multithreaded tasks. It has also been shown that the decoder isn't strong enough to feed the FPU cores, so having both decoders capable of feeding a FPU unit is a significant boost (although not sure how much).
Quote:
Originally Posted by j3st3r View Post

Because historically new iterations of processors have always fallen in between 10-15% improvements. Where is YOUR evidence to the contrary?

Bulldozer is a brand new architecture, and there are plenty of improvements that can and will be done. Historically, first iterations of a CPU architecture weren't very good, but massive boosts were made soon after as they learn what needs to be fixed.

Piledriver already beats the 3570k in multithreaded tasks, and only falls behind in single threaded tasks. The only thing it falls way behind in is power consumption, but how can a 32nm product match a 22nm product in power consumption?
Edited by Tsumi - 12/28/12 at 1:13pm
Millenium Falcon
(21 items)
  		  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 3820 MSI X79A-GD65 8D Gigabyte HD6990 Patriot Viper II Sector 7 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Corsair Force 3 Maxtor Western Digital Green Samsung BD/DVD-RW 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Swiftech MCP655 Black Ice GTS 420 Black Ice GTX 360 XSPC D5 Tank Reservoir 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
XSPC Rasa XSPC Razor HD6990 fullcover block Windows 8 64-bit Professional 3x Acer A231H 
PowerCase
Seasonic M12D 750w Cooler Master Cosmos 1000 
View all
  hide details  
Reply
Millenium Falcon
(21 items)
  		  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 3820 MSI X79A-GD65 8D Gigabyte HD6990 Patriot Viper II Sector 7 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Corsair Force 3 Maxtor Western Digital Green Samsung BD/DVD-RW 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Swiftech MCP655 Black Ice GTS 420 Black Ice GTX 360 XSPC D5 Tank Reservoir 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
XSPC Rasa XSPC Razor HD6990 fullcover block Windows 8 64-bit Professional 3x Acer A231H 
PowerCase
Seasonic M12D 750w Cooler Master Cosmos 1000 
View all
  hide details  
Reply
post #79 of 159
12/28/12 at 1:13pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by j3st3r View Post

Because historically new iterations of processors have always fallen in between 10-15% improvements. Where is YOUR evidence to the contrary?

It just seems like you are trying to start an argument honestly.

Dude 1 - "Man, they say it will be 30% faster."
Non-AMD Dude - "Nope, you're wrong."
Dude 2 - "Look at this info from AMD *shows info*."
Non-AMD Dude - "Nope, you're wrong."
Dude 1 - "But they claimed 5% and 15% boosts between BD -> PD -> Vish, and they did it, so maybe they'll nail this."
Non-AMD Dude - "Nope, you're wrong. End of story."

We can be hopeful that AMD is gonna blow the doors down with SR and really make Intel sweat... There's nothing wrong with that. People have presented evidence to support this claim, and you can't say with ANY certainty that they WON'T accomplish this, just as I'm sure all the AMD posters realize there's a chance that AMD might fall short of a claimed 30% increase. It's just conjecture on both sides, but some is hopeful and pleasant, and some is "WOW your an idiot."

Also, back to the OP: I'm interested to see where they go with this low-watt design in terms of price.

-Donny
Black Sunshine
(13 items)
 
Trinity
(11 items)
  		 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5 3570K 4.4 ghz @ 1.235v ASUS P8Z77-V LX MSI Radeon HD 7950 Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Caviar Black 1 TB SATA 3 Samsung DVD Burner - OEM Antec Kuhler H2O 620 Windows 7 64 Professional 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster E2420 Logitech Wireless OcZ 700 Watt Partial Modular Fractal Design Core 3000 
Mouse
Logitech Wireless Trackball 
View all
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD A10-5800k MSI FM2-A75IA-E53 Corsair Vengeance 1866mhz DDR3 Seagate Barracuda 2TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG DVD Burner DLF-91D Windows 2008 R2 40" Samsung LED HDTV 
KeyboardCaseAudio
Logitech K400 CoolerMaster Elite 120 Sony Home Theatre 5.1 System 
View all
  hide details  
Reply
Black Sunshine
(13 items)
 
Trinity
(11 items)
  		 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5 3570K 4.4 ghz @ 1.235v ASUS P8Z77-V LX MSI Radeon HD 7950 Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Caviar Black 1 TB SATA 3 Samsung DVD Burner - OEM Antec Kuhler H2O 620 Windows 7 64 Professional 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster E2420 Logitech Wireless OcZ 700 Watt Partial Modular Fractal Design Core 3000 
Mouse
Logitech Wireless Trackball 
View all
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD A10-5800k MSI FM2-A75IA-E53 Corsair Vengeance 1866mhz DDR3 Seagate Barracuda 2TB 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG DVD Burner DLF-91D Windows 2008 R2 40" Samsung LED HDTV 
KeyboardCaseAudio
Logitech K400 CoolerMaster Elite 120 Sony Home Theatre 5.1 System 
View all
  hide details  
Reply
post #80 of 159
12/28/12 at 1:24pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by j3st3r View Post

I'll say it once and I'll say it again:
the amount of money you save from buying a bulldozer chip OVER the Intel equivalent is rendered useless after the power bills start coming in. In the long run you SAVE money by going Intel..

Sorry but this is quite strange.
If you can t afford a desktop PC than maybe you need a laptop or a tablet.
In a house you have a lot of appliances that suck power and affect your bill much more than the few watts you may "waste" using the AMD chip per month.

You let your mighty power saving Intel PC ON all night and let me turn off mine when i don t need it ,then let s see who has the bigger bill. smile.gif
Put into this the PSU efficiency and your theory goes out the window.
If you are using your PC as a server full time or if you are using tens of PC-s for an illegal net-cafe that s something else.
AMD to the bones I
(15 items)
 
AMD to the bones II
(15 items)
 
AMD noob
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD PII X4 975 BE Gigabyte 890GPA--UD3  Sapphire 6950 unlocked Geil 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD Sony Corsair H60 Mepis Tetris 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG HD  Logitech G11 OCZ 750 F1 Nexus Clodius Black 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G5R Mionix Creative X-Fi Xteme Music 
View all
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A8 5600K Gigabyte F2A75M-D3H IGD Corsair  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD /Seagate Optiarc/LG Cooler Master Hyper TX2 Mepis Tetris 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG HD  Logitech generic Corsair 600CX Nexus Clodius White 
MouseMouse PadAudio
A4 Crap Mionix Anus Xonar D1 
View all
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A4 5300 MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 IGD Corsair 2X2G 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate 640Gb junk SONY DVD-RW Stock OpenSuse/Ubuntu 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LED TV Logitech wireless FSP Foxconn 
Mouse
Logitech wireless 
View all
  hide details  
Reply
AMD to the bones I
(15 items)
 
AMD to the bones II
(15 items)
 
AMD noob
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD PII X4 975 BE Gigabyte 890GPA--UD3  Sapphire 6950 unlocked Geil 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD Sony Corsair H60 Mepis Tetris 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG HD  Logitech G11 OCZ 750 F1 Nexus Clodius Black 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G5R Mionix Creative X-Fi Xteme Music 
View all
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A8 5600K Gigabyte F2A75M-D3H IGD Corsair  
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD /Seagate Optiarc/LG Cooler Master Hyper TX2 Mepis Tetris 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LG HD  Logitech generic Corsair 600CX Nexus Clodius White 
MouseMouse PadAudio
A4 Crap Mionix Anus Xonar D1 
View all
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A4 5300 MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 IGD Corsair 2X2G 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Seagate 640Gb junk SONY DVD-RW Stock OpenSuse/Ubuntu 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
LED TV Logitech wireless FSP Foxconn 
Mouse
Logitech wireless 
View all
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Hardware News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [EXPReview]AMD begins to sell FX-8300 processor with 95W TDP