[EXPReview]AMD begins to sell FX-8300 processor with 95W TDP

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12/28/12 at 1:33pm

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Because it is not that much different?
4W less at load, still a long way from Ivy.

There's some speculation on SemiAccurate that Vishera and possibly Trinity don't have RCM/don't have a complete implementation of RCM, hence why AMD's bringing out Richland before Kaveri.
Edited by PiOfPie - 12/28/12 at 1:39pm

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12/28/12 at 1:34pm

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Originally Posted by Tsumi

Piledriver already beats the 3570k in multithreaded tasks, and only falls behind in single threaded tasks. The only thing it falls way behind in is power consumption, but how can a 32nm product match a 22nm product in power consumption?

Em, they don't beat Sandy(32nm) in power consumption either:

Plus unless GF pulls rabbits out from hat, AMD will be lagging behind in term of die shrink for a long time so Intel will always have the smaller, more efficient process.
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12/28/12 at 1:45pm

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Maybe we should use some real power consumptions tools and not the ones X-bit is using.

We pay for the amount of kilowatts that sum up during a time period.
This means that you can t say apriori that an Intel PC will suck less until you know the usage patterns.

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12/28/12 at 1:55pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PiOfPie

Quote:

Originally Posted by sherlock

Because it is not that much different?
4W less at load, still a long way from Ivy.

There's some speculation on SemiAccurate that Vishera and possibly Trinity don't have RCM/don't have a complete implementation of RCM, hence why AMD's bringing out Richland before Kaveri.

Don't believe a dang thing SA says. In fact an Intel engineer was just on reddit saying they like to read SA for the laughs. I don't doubt AMD does the same thing.

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12/28/12 at 4:12pm

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So basically AMD is going to steamroll/piledrive(don't think dirty) Intel with every new processor they release. I get it now.

But what I really want to see is some weird HSA configuration with a CPU with just integer cores and a GPU with all the floating point power. If such a configuration proves to be more efficient/powerful than what Intel offers I would gladly switch over.

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12/28/12 at 4:18pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IvantheDugtrio

So basically AMD is going to steamroll/piledrive(don't think dirty) Intel with every new processor they release. I get it now.
But what I really want to see is some weird HSA configuration with a CPU with just integer cores and a GPU with all the floating point power. If such a configuration proves to be more efficient/powerful than what Intel offers I would gladly switch over.

There's a reason why AMD went with its shared design for the Bulldozer architecture, and it's to eventually integrate it into a true HSA design.

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12/28/12 at 4:47pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Krusher33

There are charts with power consumptions between Piledrivers and their competitors and so I'm quite curious as to why you keep posting Bulldozer ones instead?

I haven't posted any charts.

Also, Piledriver and Bulldozer have very similar power curves (which should not be surprising), especially near the low end of the spectrum, where most PCs are most of the time.

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I call rubbish on 30%, too.

They are effectively doubling the width of the front-end, which is an almost unprecedented increase. The last time anything like this was done was when Core was widened from 3-issue to 4-issue and became Core 2.

While not all situations are constrained by Bulldozer/Piledriver's narrow decoder, many are. These will see a huge jump simply from each core getting it's own. It's also not going to be the only improvement.

If anyone wants a rough guess as to what performance of Steamroller should be like, bench Visheria, with four threads, and force them to one per module. Then double (or halve) the result.

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There's some speculation on SemiAccurate that Vishera and possibly Trinity don't have RCM/don't have a complete implementation of RCM, hence why AMD's bringing out Richland before Kaveri.

Speculation?

I thought it was confirmed that RCM did not make it into Vishera?

Vishera was pushed out very quickly after BD, and AMD didn't have time to implement RCM. The modest power savings comes from the use of hard-edge flops, where Bulldozer needed less efficient soft-edge flops to increase yields.

There is no RCM in any shipping AMD parts, as far as I am aware.

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12/28/12 at 5:14pm

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Where do you get that from? Neither will saturate a PCIE 2.0. I would like to see your evidence of that.
Here is mine contrary to it.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/1.html
****BTW, how do you like your A10-5800 & ASUS A85X V PRO platform? and what do you use it for? ****

I love it. Works great for 1080P gaming that I do. The real selling point for me was that it only cost $320 for the CPU + GPU + Mobo + RAM. I actually have videos if you're interested. My channel The motherboard is absolutely solid. Great UEFI naviation, fast post time and all the options you'll ever need.

In gaming, PCI-E 3.0 doesn't make a huge difference with low resolution, single card solutions. However in compute applications PCI-E 3.0 shines.

Those are ostensibly the efficiencies that PCIE promised in latencies etc. I was speaking of the saturation you first mentioned.

I don't need video

, I reviewed a A10-5800/A85-V PRO system and just kept it running. I think it's the best P/P platform in quite some time.

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12/28/12 at 5:16pm

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Celeron Pentium vs. low end BD is hardly on topic for a thread about a new high end piledriver CPU.

Please do not continue the argument, or take it to the general processor discussions section.

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Graphics	Graphics	Graphics	Graphics
GTX 285	EVGA 8800GTX	MSI X1600 (2d benching)	5850
Graphics	Graphics	Graphics	RAM
Sapphire 5830	HIS 5770	Sapphire 4870	Corsair
Hard Drive	Cooling	Cooling	Cooling
Intel X25-M 80GB	LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change	OCN Marksman	2x old tek slims (GPU)
Cooling	OS	Power	Case
Various watercooling stuff	win7	AX1200	test bench / cardboard box
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CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
[3930K @ 5.3GHz / 4770K @ 5.3GHz]	[Rampage IV Extreme / Z87X-OC]	[ASUS GeForce GTX Titan 6GB \| WB inc.]	[16GB Corsair Vengeance]
Hard Drive	Cooling	Cooling	Cooling
[X25-MG2 80GB +2 SpinpointF3 1TB RAID0 +WDG 750GB]	[LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change]	[XSPC X2O 750 pump/res]	[EK Coolstream XT 360 + XT 240]
Monitor	Power	Case	Audio
[Crossover 27Q LED-P 1440p+ASUS 1200p+LG 1080p]	[Corsair AX1200]	[Custom test bench]	[Sennheiser HD558s]
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CPU	CPU	CPU	Motherboard
FX 8320	8x Celeron 352	i7 3930K	CVF, commando, 2x RIVE
Graphics	Graphics	Graphics	Graphics
Asus 4870x2	2x OEM Dell 3870x2	HIS 3870	Palit GTX 480
Graphics	Graphics	Graphics	Graphics
GTX 285	EVGA 8800GTX	MSI X1600 (2d benching)	5850
Graphics	Graphics	Graphics	RAM
Sapphire 5830	HIS 5770	Sapphire 4870	Corsair
Hard Drive	Cooling	Cooling	Cooling
Intel X25-M 80GB	LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change	OCN Marksman	2x old tek slims (GPU)
Cooling	OS	Power	Case
Various watercooling stuff	win7	AX1200	test bench / cardboard box
View all