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Yep, it's a pentium but anyway...point taken.

sorry for that, fixed. Been playing with celerons lately so I can't get them out of my mind. Great little toys to get into the 6ghz club haha.

Anyways, back on topic now.
 
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post #92 of 159
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Celeron Pentium vs. low end BD is hardly on topic for a thread about a new high end piledriver CPU.
Please do not continue the argument, or take it to the general processor discussions section.

Point taken indeed. Seems like all intel or amd threads somehow derail into a mess unfortunately. thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Alatar View Post

sorry for that, fixed. Been playing with celerons lately so I can't get them out of my mind. Great little toys to get into the 6ghz club haha.
Anyways, back on topic now.

Hahaha! I had one of those, did 5.2ghz on my Silver Arrow with one TY-140 lol
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Point taken indeed. Seems like all intel or amd threads somehow derail into a mess unfortunately. thumb.gif

Yup, quite right...I don't really care for those arguments myself, I was interested in the lower tdp AMD parts, but seeing they still have no RCM I'm dissappoint frown.gif
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I thought it was confirmed that RCM did not make it into Vishera?
Vishera was pushed out very quickly after BD, and AMD didn't have time to implement RCM. The modest power savings comes from the use of hard-edge flops, where Bulldozer needed less efficient soft-edge flops to increase yields.
There is no RCM in any shipping AMD parts, as far as I am aware.

My mistake, then. redface.gif

Cyclos spoke vaguely and said that RCM would be "in the Piledriver core". I think AMD clarified sort of halfheartedly and quietly after both chips actually dropped. People were saying pretty much up until the chip's release that Trinity would have RCM; Tom's amended their Vishera review after the fact, for instance, and until I saw that SA thread, I was still under the impression that at least Trinity had some kind of RCM.
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I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion.
Already the FX 8350 has issues with single thread performance (watch what happens when you play games - the SB chips get much better performance than the Piledriver ones, and power draw, not to mention IPC itself. Dropping the TDP envelope isn't going to fix the core (get it tongue.gif) issues of power draw (which would still be higher, especially once OCed), poor ST performance, and hence, being a better value than the 2500k (let alone the 3570k)
Power draw:


Gaming




I highly doubt you can drop the TDP and make up such a big difference. Admittedly the difference isn't quite as stark as I'd remembered it to be, but this is something that's played out (sorry these puns just keep on coming) in almost all reviews. Why do I put such emphasis on games? Most people here are the kind who would consider such a chip and be willing to buy one. Most people here also seem to game. Of course, if you want to OC, then fine, go ahead, but that only makes the power draw worse, and there's not much stopping you from building an OCable Intel system and getting it to the same clockspeed, as well (which is about as fair as one can get to compare the two).
ATM the 8350's big saving grace is its pricing - Hardware Canucks were impressed for that same reason (they gave it a "Dam Good Value" award) but even their review isn't so great news for it in the gaming section (30fps slower than the 2500k in Skyrim at 720p). You pay (at time of posting) $210 for an 8350 on Newegg and $220 for a 2500k, so unless this thing is like, less than $200 I don't really see it being all that compelling. I like AMD, but honestly, these chips... They still feel like a wet towel.


Why is this retired staff comparing intel quad cores to 4ghz stock octo cores on power draw?thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
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Who would really buy a $190 Vishera clocked at 3.3GHz - 3.6GHz turbo when microcenter is shipping i5 2500K's for $140?

The nearest MC to me is over 4 hours away. Its great that some people have access to them but they are hardly the end-all be-all. Course thats subject to change if one ever goes up in Baton Rouge.
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The nearest MC to me is over 4 hours away. Its great that some people have access to them but they are hardly the end-all be-all. Course thats subject to change if one ever goes up in Baton Rouge.

Please read that quote again. I clearly said that they were SHIPPING them at that price. They are all gone now but it wasn't the typical in-store only deal.
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Why do you all care about power consumption so much, the difference to your power bill is going to be so miniscule compared to other things that it means almost nothing. For people using them 24/7 in servers or whatever I can understand but for people like us it honestly means bugger all.

Why wouldn't you want to decrease your power use? If not for savings, why not just for the sake of not gobbling up all the resources we have? I would much rather have an efficient and low power 16 core chip with properly threaded application than my current i5 and i7. Unfortunately I have to wait, but with the advancements in multithreading development is going to quickly move forward. You can thank android and iOS for that. THe smartphone era has pushed the importance of multithreading further than AMD or Intel ever did.

Not sure about you, but I can't wait to be able to run my rig with the same power use as a nightlight.
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Why wouldn't you want to decrease your power use? If not for savings, why not just for the sake of not gobbling up all the resources we have? I would much rather have an efficient and low power 16 core chip with properly threaded application than my current i5 and i7. Unfortunately I have to wait, but with the advancements in multithreading development is going to quickly move forward. You can thank android and iOS for that. THe smartphone era has pushed the importance of multithreading further than AMD or Intel ever did.
Not sure about you, but I can't wait to be able to run my rig with the same power use as a nightlight.

Mobile? Multithread??? eh-smiley.gif
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This is good news for AMD. But honestly, AMD should concentrate on their APU line up as that is where their strength really lies, combining cpu+gpu power. This however, does sound good. But the real deal is when HSA is implemented thumb.gif
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