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Yah, I believe that Jim or Kevin remarked in one of the threads - sm8 or st10 - that they do mix and match. The 10 and 8 are the same width and depth. I'm actually liking the pedestal approach. I gotta wait on that psu mount before I go with 2 480 Monstas. But seeing how short the 2 rads in the case now look, I can't see how I cannot put at least 1 Monsta in it.
Man ! when does the green hemorhaging stop ? wink.gif

Mounting 2x480 Monstas in the pedestal is not going to leave much wiggle room. The UT60's are as much as I felt comfortable with. The push fans only leave about 1.5" between. Add another 40mm for the Monstas and I just don't see it unless you don't use push fans inside, or configure it so as to not use the side covers. I would think about that and do the math, as they say.
I know Monstas are the latest cool but I think you would be better served by 60mm radiators in the pedestal - or just use one set of fans on each rad.

Hee hee. The money spending has pretty much stopped for me, at least for a while.....and you are just getting started!
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yah yah yah ! that's what I'm saying, that first step is a bit large, and what with those 2 puny 480 rads I bought for the Azza in a drunken sailor moment, obviously aint gonna cut it. I'm definitely going to end up with 1 monsta 480 up top, maybe a 240 at bottom, lets not kid ourselves - the st10 is a big case, but its designed to fit 2 480 p/p rad setups top AND bottom - I'd much prefer in a Caselabs case to do it your way, but like you say, that's not gonna fit in a ped.

And with new stuff graphics & cpu due out this first half year or less, it doesn't make much sense to build now with current choices. I finally read up on the 2011 and SB-E debacle that everyone else seems to have gotten around by just accepting the facts about current hardware actually not using but a little of the big lanes of PCI-E 3.0 capability. So there's a few percent difference in performance drop when using less than PCI-E 3.0 at 16x - so there's a few boards that may or may not work at 3.0 level when you run a fix - you would still have a fancy board with quad ram channels - a bit of a showy board, that can handle the current 6 core divas.

Still, I'd rather have a board that is certified PCI-E 3.0 to go along with a cpu that is also the same - which today, means a Z77 board - I don't want to have anything to do with an apparent EOL board like the 2011 or Z79 - even tho they are listed as being forward compatible with the IB-E chips .... and the new Haswell boards with the 1150 socket are too far in the future, as are the Nvidia 7xx cards - there's too much up in the air.

Makes it a bit difficult to pick a dance partner when there are so many choices in the near future not near enough. Looks like a Z77 and an i7-3770k is the way to go. Now.
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Yeah I agree. Performance wise Z77/3770K is going to be good for quite a while. As far as graphics, I'm more than happy with my twin 7950's. Hell, I was happy with one, I pushed it well over 10,000 3DMark11.
So I don't see me upgrading gpu's for quite a while, I don't need 3 monitors and wouldn't have a place to put them anyway.
The only thing I don't like is my two 3770K cpu's came from the dog pile. One is OK; the other one is nothing but a little heat soak. I have the worst luck.....

I wouldn't trash the 480's you already have, I would put them to use. So what if they aren't huge, they will still provide some good cooling.
Which ones are they exactly?
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You mean your 3770k's stepping ? Yah, I haven't delved into that stuff. I have a 2600k that's aircooled, runs 4.0 at 1.38v with low 30's idle/high50's under load. I never did get around to messing with the 3770k in the Azza.

Rads ? xspc ax480 - bot that coz the sr-1 480 was giving me a devil of a time in the azza. One of those blunderheaded moves - I never tried positioning it with the ports at the front end - complete noob.

Anyways, I want to put a 80mm tall rad into this st10, so I ordered up such a thing today. Should be here in 2 days, so I can see if it gives the desired HEFT for looks. I've also ordered up a buncha Cougar orange 3 pin fans - I'm committed now ! and just ordered up some Masterkleer UV orange tubing, which tells me I'm going off to Neverland with an orange themed build. Drat ! what goes with orange ? I know that you'll have a helluva time rhyming to orange tongue.gif

Still haven't decided on a board - and I have been "shopping" - wears me out. I'm leaning to the Maximus V Formula .... coz its new, its the premium Asus or ROG level - that I've never tried.

This guy has such a board, he's been changing it out quite a bit lately, and in a M8 case with a pedestal. Takes nice pix too.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1132180/official-xspc-raystorm-club/450#post_18945498
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I see. I don't think I got an instruction booklet with mine. In any case I can't find it and don't remember seeing one, but who knows? It might have got lost in all the packaging and excitement.
I don't blame you for wanting to show off the rads, but I'm very happy with my 480's in the pedestal. I just got tired of working on crowded cases. When I add the RX240 inside that will be plenty of "fill" for me. Or you could put a pedestal on top, that would show off the rads some.
On the Aquaero, I don't understand if you think they are too much trouble? Most of my problems were of my own making due to lack of knowledge, but I'm pretty comfortable with the unit now. It's like the ultimate in monitoring/control devices IMO. Plus lots of stuff to tinker with if you load up with flow meters, inline temp sensors, etc.
For the motherboard, well I'm a big Gigabyte fan but sometimes they take more tinkering with than some folks are comfortable doing. But otherwise for 2011 either Asrock Extreme 11 or one of the Asus boards I guess. Someone at OCN did a review on an Asus WS board, let me look......."Asus P9X79 WS SSI CEB" sounds like a solid board, you should read the review if you consider something with different colors than the other Asus boards.....he says it's rock solid and a good overclocker as well.
Blue and Black, but you could get a ROG board for Red/Orange.
Still I would consider the Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP7, I think that orange would look great in a black case!....and some MDPC orange sleeve.

WoW ! I missed this post. Thanks for the heads up. I was searching for ideas on mobos, just goes to show you that you can miss the obvious ! The GA-Z77's orange matches the Cougar orange, and it looks like MDPC orange is spot on. +rep to ya Mandrix wink.gif
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WoW ! I missed this post. Thanks for the heads up. I was searching for ideas on mobos, just goes to show you that you can miss the obvious ! The GA-Z77's orange matches the Cougar orange, and it looks like MDPC orange is spot on. +rep to ya Mandrix wink.gif

Yeah I think the UP7 would be a great board. thumb.gif
I considered it when I blew a PCIe slot on one of my UD5H boards but the orange didn't match anything I had.
Reminds me I need to get in gear and send my other UD5H to Giga for repairs.
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Back in the 32 bit day, it was Gigabyte for me. I started out with barebones builds from newegg - buy a hard drive and you were done ! for a fraction of a build's cost. That and I found an MSI board that was handy and reliable and had built-in nic cards - new thing in its day. Always an AMD cpu back then. But ever since the 64 bit hardware has come in, I've had a few problems with mobos and psus that I had not had in the older days. So this gives me hope - that first hooking up and test running is so critical these days. Last year, well last of 2011, I came across one of those new mobos with bent pins - fortunately it was before Newegg started denying any RMA on bent pins - but it was an Asrock z68 board - and I swear ! bent socket pins ! as I opened it ! I've never seen such a thing, supposedly new, with socket plate intact, and it has bent pins. WTH !!!

So this day and age, I buy my mobos from Amazon - altho I've bought 3 or 4 mobos from Newegg since late 2011, and got lucky, I guess. There's something not right in the Newegg warehouse these days. I see too many complaints of bent pins on new - supposedly unopened - mobos - it happened to me, so I know it can happen to you !
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Socketus: this is the exact reason I stopped buying motherboards online. My local PC shop won't let a motherboard leave their shop without doing a socket inspection, AND making sure the customer signs the receipt before they leave. It seems like a lot of people were messing up CPU installs and wrecking pins, especially on the x79 platform. When you buy online, you might be getting a return / refurb.
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Yah, but the worst part of it - obviously - is sending those mobos out as "new" to another customer - and then denying the RMA - basically, telling the customer that he's a liar and a wanna-be thief.

I can imagine that its a hard situation - people return a product that they've messed up, citing another reason, or in my case, the actual reason - and apparently, whatever happens to these "pre-damaged" mobos, doesn't get corrected. I mean, how does a mobo get bent pins and yet is brand new ? Somebody OWN IT ! whether its Newegg that doesn't inspect the socket, or the mobo gets returned to the "factory" and then it doesn't get inspected .... I don't know where the mobos go when you RMA them - where they end up, eventually, but it shouldn't be sold again, as if it were new. To my mind, that's a class action suit waiting to happen.

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You are so right! Refurbs should be clearly marked as refurbs! But you know business people. Business has no conscience. One of the many reasons I hate salespeople. smile.gif Oh well, hopefully none of that crap will hold up your build!
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