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12/30/12 at 6:48pm

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Lately I've been bit by the Upgrade bug and I've been looking at small ITX systems and I'm trying to figure out if it is worth it.

I have a TJ08-E case with Crossfire 7870, I5 750,, 4 HDDs, Sdd, H60 and a 16gigs of ram.

I'm thinking of going to a single 7870, 2 HDD, SSD, 3470 or 3570k and, H60 SFX PSU.

I want to move into a

SILVERSTONE Black Aluminum / Steel Fortress Series SST-FT03B
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My biggest issue is the trouble I would have to go through.
I have to get rid of 2 1tbs for a 2TB, Sell off my second 7870, then grab a new PSU,dvd drive and case. Thats all Before I get to the CPU and mobo

I also play over Eyefinity at 4800x900 with a 1080 tv as a extra monitor for Media or a game doesnt play nice over 3 screens(dark souls)

CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	Graphics
Intel I5 750	Intel H57 Itx	7870 OEM	Powercolor 7870
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12/30/12 at 7:02pm

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A single 7870 might struggle a little to consistently produce playable frame rates at that resolution. depending on game.

What is the outcome you are looking for? A nicer looking system, Faster, higher FPS?

Your suggested build is almost exactly what Im buildng shortly. Total system upgrades like you are suggesting come with a bit of pain and downtime. Its why most people only do it once every two or three years and tweak the system in between times.

I say go for it. It will be a good performing system. Your choice of case is excellent. Looks great, decent cooling for the size.

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AMD Phenom II 1100T (4200MHz)	Asus Sabertooth 990FX	gigabyte 7850 OC	Muskin Redline Ridgeback (2000MHz, CL9)
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Optical Drive
OCZ Vertex 3 Maxiops SSD	Western Digital Caviar Black	Western Digital Caviar Black	LG Bluray/DVD writer Combo
Cooling	OS	Monitor	Keyboard
XSPC 750 RS360	Win 8 64 bit	HP ZR24W 24" IPS 1920x1200 LCD	Corsair K90
Power	Case	Mouse	Mouse Pad
Corsair AX850 80plus Gold	Coolermaster HAF X	Corsair M60	Razor Destructor
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OCZ Vertex 3 Maxiops SSD	Western Digital Caviar Black	Western Digital Caviar Black	LG Bluray/DVD writer Combo
Cooling	OS	Monitor	Keyboard
XSPC 750 RS360	Win 8 64 bit	HP ZR24W 24" IPS 1920x1200 LCD	Corsair K90
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Corsair AX850 80plus Gold	Coolermaster HAF X	Corsair M60	Razor Destructor
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12/30/12 at 7:04pm

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Agreed with dihartnell, going from dual 7870s to a single is going to really hamper you. Definitely get a newer and beefier card if you want your mITX machine to be more capable than your mATX one

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12/30/12 at 7:05pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dihartnell

A single 7870 might struggle a little to consistently produce playable frame rates at that resolution. depending on game.
What is the outcome you are looking for? A nicer looking system, Faster, higher FPS?
Your suggested build is almost exactly what Im buildng shortly. Total system upgrades like you are suggesting come with a bit of pain and downtime. Its why most people only do it once every two or three years and tweak the system in between times.
I say go for it. It will be a good performing system. Your choice of case is excellent. Looks great, decent cooling for the size.

I'm starting to think for the and vanity of it all.

If anything would a ITX version of what I already have be worth it. I might get the Matx Version of that case or a SG09.

The main thing for me is Size. as I'm downsizing.

CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	Graphics
Intel I5 750	Intel H57 Itx	7870 OEM	Powercolor 7870
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FT03 mini
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FT03 mini
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12/30/12 at 7:15pm

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This was the M-ITX mobo I was planning to use in my system. Its a powerhouse and the main reason I am building one. I just really wanted to have it, so I made the excuse.

Generally I find with Upgrades if you have to spend more than 5 minutes rationalising it you aren't ready for it. ;-).
Edited by dihartnell - 12/30/12 at 7:22pm

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OCZ Vertex 3 Maxiops SSD	Western Digital Caviar Black	Western Digital Caviar Black	LG Bluray/DVD writer Combo
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OCZ Vertex 3 Maxiops SSD	Western Digital Caviar Black	Western Digital Caviar Black	LG Bluray/DVD writer Combo
Cooling	OS	Monitor	Keyboard
XSPC 750 RS360	Win 8 64 bit	HP ZR24W 24" IPS 1920x1200 LCD	Corsair K90
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12/30/12 at 7:23pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Milestailsprowe

I'm starting to think for the and vanity of it all.
If anything would a ITX version of what I already have be worth it. I might get the Matx Version of that case or a SG09.
The main thing for me is Size. as I'm downsizing.

Nothing wrong doing it just for the fun

CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
AMD Phenom II 1100T (4200MHz)	Asus Sabertooth 990FX	gigabyte 7850 OC	Muskin Redline Ridgeback (2000MHz, CL9)
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Optical Drive
OCZ Vertex 3 Maxiops SSD	Western Digital Caviar Black	Western Digital Caviar Black	LG Bluray/DVD writer Combo
Cooling	OS	Monitor	Keyboard
XSPC 750 RS360	Win 8 64 bit	HP ZR24W 24" IPS 1920x1200 LCD	Corsair K90
Power	Case	Mouse	Mouse Pad
Corsair AX850 80plus Gold	Coolermaster HAF X	Corsair M60	Razor Destructor
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Onboard Realtek Audio	Sunbeam rheosmart 6
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Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T7300	7665AM8	NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M
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AMD Phenom II 1100T (4200MHz)	Asus Sabertooth 990FX	gigabyte 7850 OC	Muskin Redline Ridgeback (2000MHz, CL9)
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Optical Drive
OCZ Vertex 3 Maxiops SSD	Western Digital Caviar Black	Western Digital Caviar Black	LG Bluray/DVD writer Combo
Cooling	OS	Monitor	Keyboard
XSPC 750 RS360	Win 8 64 bit	HP ZR24W 24" IPS 1920x1200 LCD	Corsair K90
Power	Case	Mouse	Mouse Pad
Corsair AX850 80plus Gold	Coolermaster HAF X	Corsair M60	Razor Destructor
Audio	Other
Onboard Realtek Audio	Sunbeam rheosmart 6
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12/30/12 at 7:27pm

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The extra $300 is hurting this desicion. Plus I need to mess with single 7870 performance before I make that choice. If anything I might getting a Gene V and I5 with a SG09.

Though the thought of that nice looking case makes me want it.

Anyone other reasons for Mitx outside of space? Cost?

CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	Graphics
Intel I5 750	Intel H57 Itx	7870 OEM	Powercolor 7870
RAM	Hard Drive	Monitor	Power
Corsair Vengeance LP	4.06 Terebytes	3 P206HL Monitors	Silverstone SFX
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FT03 mini
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12/30/12 at 7:50pm

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The FT03 can fit an MATX mobo and fit two GPus. Just get it and transfer your rig to it.

CPU	Motherboard	Graphics	RAM
AMD Phenom II 1100T (4200MHz)	Asus Sabertooth 990FX	gigabyte 7850 OC	Muskin Redline Ridgeback (2000MHz, CL9)
Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Optical Drive
OCZ Vertex 3 Maxiops SSD	Western Digital Caviar Black	Western Digital Caviar Black	LG Bluray/DVD writer Combo
Cooling	OS	Monitor	Keyboard
XSPC 750 RS360	Win 8 64 bit	HP ZR24W 24" IPS 1920x1200 LCD	Corsair K90
Power	Case	Mouse	Mouse Pad
Corsair AX850 80plus Gold	Coolermaster HAF X	Corsair M60	Razor Destructor
Audio	Other
Onboard Realtek Audio	Sunbeam rheosmart 6
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Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T7300	7665AM8	NVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M
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Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Hard Drive	Optical Drive
OCZ Vertex 3 Maxiops SSD	Western Digital Caviar Black	Western Digital Caviar Black	LG Bluray/DVD writer Combo
Cooling	OS	Monitor	Keyboard
XSPC 750 RS360	Win 8 64 bit	HP ZR24W 24" IPS 1920x1200 LCD	Corsair K90
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Corsair AX850 80plus Gold	Coolermaster HAF X	Corsair M60	Razor Destructor
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12/30/12 at 7:57pm

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You can generally go really small form factor with MATX anyways. Not only that but you'll generally have 4 RAM slots and 4 expansion slots.

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12/31/12 at 2:11am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Milestailsprowe

My biggest issue is the trouble I would have to go through.
I have to ... Sell off my second 7870 ...

As the others have said: FT03 fits two cards. Or is there another reason to sell it?

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Crucial M4 256GB	Seagate 2.5" 750GB	Sony Optiarc AD-7803H	Swiftech Apogee Drive II
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Monitor	Keyboard	Power	Case
Iiyama ProLite B2206WS-B1	Trust LED eLight	SilverStone ST45SF-G	SilverStone FT03B-Mini
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Crucial M4 256GB	Seagate 2.5" 750GB	Sony Optiarc AD-7803H	Swiftech Apogee Drive II
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128GB Crucial m4	500GB Seagate Momentus 7200	Sony Optiarc Slimline	Corsair H60
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Gelid Wing 12PL Blue	Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit	Packard Bell Maestro 191W	Trust LED eLight
Power	Case
SilverStone ST45SF	SilverStone SG05 Mini ITX
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Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 @ 3000MHz	Asus P5Q3	KFA2 GeForce GTX 550 Ti	Kingston 4GB 1333-888
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Seagate 250GB 3.5" ST3250410AS	Seagate 80GB 3.5" ST380011A	Sony Optiarc AD-7243S	Scythe Shuriken
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