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On an Intel system, is there any noticeable increase in performance from extremely high performance RAM, if you are using a dedicated GPU?

Not really for Dedicated GPU, from what I read you only get noticeable difference beyond 2133 in Benchmarks.
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I do not considering being forced to use the cheap & highly OCable Samsung Green ULV a lot of compensation. If I had to change the 8pin cable or my Top fan or my Rams every hour for benching then maybe it makes a difference, but I don't have to do any of those. If I had a need for splurge on DDR3-2666 Dominator or Trident X then maybe a CLC make sense but 2133 Cas 11(which is no where close to the limit of these Samsung Rams) is plenty fast for what I do.
I agree, although all I have used are Intel Boards they are all very solid, haven't observed any bending from my 14PE.

Except those ram are not guaranteed to get that high, also those are really bad timings. Having a high cas on fast MHz ram almost defeats the purpose, at least on FX rigs. The trick is to find a balance of high frequencies and low timings. At least from my experiences while benching my rig. I know its good ram but having 1866 with cas 8-9 would be much better.
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Except those ram are not guaranteed to get that high, also those are really bad timings. Having a high cas on fast MHz ram almost defeats the purpose, at least on FX rigs. The trick is to find a balance of high frequencies and low timings. At least from my experiences while benching my rig. I know its good ram but having 1866 with cas 8-9 would be much better.

That's for AMD Rigs, I am talking about my case, For Intel Speed is King and Latency gets rickrolled by Speed.

From TPU's Samsung Review:



Essentially Speed is King and Latency takes a back seat.

Plus I don't see a difference in price for the Low Profile vs Normal Ram at your demand range(1866 Cas 9), so "being forced to use low profile Ram" is a moot point unless you already had Tall Ram or want the DDR3-2400+ level Ram.
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That's for AMD Rigs, I am talking about my case, For Intel Speed is King and Latency gets rickrolled by Speed.
From TPU's Samsung Review:

Essentially Speed is King and Latency takes a back seat.

How so? That image shows low frequencies with low cas keeping up with higher frequencies higher cas. Sorry not saying your wrong just confused as all. I plan on building a haswell rig so its good to know how intel is different.
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How so? That image shows low frequencies with low cas keeping up with higher frequencies higher cas. Sorry not saying your wrong just confused as all. I plan on building a haswell rig so its good to know how intel is different.

Here, I borrowed a Post from the Samsung Ram Club page, from Vonnis
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1702 8-9-8-14

2000 9-10-9-20

and these Rams are a lot more capable than my 2133 cas 11 1.5V which is just a place holder until I get more time to work with timings, in that TPU review they recommended either 1866 9-9-9-27 1.35V or 2133 11-11-11-28 1.45V. 2133 Cas 11 is just my first step, plenty of people in my club have cas 9/10 2133 running stable.
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But that's the thing, there's no risk, or if there is it's so much smaller than a CLC leaking that it's not funny. We have lots of stories of CLCs leaking on OCN and destroying GPUs, mobos and CPUs. Even if an air cooler did break a mobo, it would most likely only break the mobo and even then I haven't seen a single story of it happening under any sort of normal conditions. All PCBs bend a bit, it's normal. What I meant was in any significant amount.
As for proof of the D14 getting better with better fans: http://www.overclockers.com/premium-heatsink-shootout/ there's at least something. With a bigger heat load the difference would also be bigger. The point was that the H100 is much louder at stock than the D14, in order to get a fair test of both of the coolers' cooling ability, same fans should be used, or at least fans that are omptimized for both and make a similar amount of noise. Otherwise the H100 will obviously have an edge just because it's screaming louder inside a case.

You don't even need to have different fans. The proper case design paired with the D14 keeps it right above the H100 in my tests on my sig rig. Now swapping Fans (I was running Delta's) decreased the temps by almost 10c on the D14...however the wife won out on the performance vs silence.
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...however the wife won out on the performance vs silence.

Normally how it goes concerning delta's tongue.gif
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Ya a simple fan will fix that issue.

Yes, it will. Though setting one up over the VRM seems to bring up many of the issues people criticize air coolers for.
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I have a 4.6GHz OC on my 6300 and battle VRM throttling constantly, but you know how I fixed that? I just put a small fan above them.....problem fixed. I even had the throttling on a big air cooler I just got rid of. It was no noctua but principles were the same

Airflow, location of the fan on the cooler, and the cooler's orientation is what matters, not the brand.
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So the VRM issue is massively overstated. I would also love to see proof having a noctua blowing on the VRMs will extend the mobo life by years.

The VRM issues is not overstated, and high VRM temps are by far the biggest killer of boards out there. In my personal experience, about 3/4th of the boards I ever see die, die from damage that would have been prevented with better VRM cooling.

Every ~10C you knock off the temp of an IC roughly doubles it's lifespan, other things being equal, thus 20C will very roughly quadruple it. Relative to no dedicated cooling at all, such as a CLC setup with no supplemental fans, and air cooler with a portion of it's airflow directed over a VRM sink can dramatically extend the life of a board.

It's a well known physical principle, and why many VRMs are rated for upwards of 50,000 hours at typical operating temps, but only 5,000 hours or so at peak rated temps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black%27s_equation

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Tell that to the folders out there that fold 24/7 on CLC's (like my second sig rig). Running 24/7 at full load since August and not a single problem. Other guys have been at it for years with no VRM issues. VRM cooling is pretty much a non-factor with current Intel boards save socket 2011 where active VRM cooling is definitely a necessity (had to put mine under water to achieve 5GHz)....
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Tell that to the folders out there that fold 24/7 on CLC's (like my second sig rig). Running 24/7 at full load since August and not a single problem. Other guys have been at it for years with no VRM issues. VRM cooling is pretty much a non-factor with current Intel boards save socket 2011 where active VRM cooling is definitely a necessity (had to put mine under water to achieve 5GHz)....

+1

I only have a pair of Corsair H70's for mine, but the VRM's have there own additional cooling else they'd melt, i7 960 @ 4 GHz & i7 870 @ 3.8 GHz...

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