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I have used the NH-D14 in two rigs now.

Acutally my X79 setup is very similar to the test setup besides the CPU. P280 case, P9X79 Deluxe, and a Noctua NH-D14.

I must say that given how quiet the D14 is and how cool it keeps my CPU, I would be hard pressed to use anything else. Especially when I got my D14 on sale for $40.
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Tell that to the folders out there that fold 24/7 on CLC's (like my second sig rig). Running 24/7 at full load since August and not a single problem. Other guys have been at it for years with no VRM issues. VRM cooling is pretty much a non-factor with current Intel boards save socket 2011 where active VRM cooling is definitely a necessity (had to put mine under water to achieve 5GHz)....

Decent 1155 boards have completely overkill VRM (much lower current draw and much more room for the VRM), and I am almost never referring to them when I'm talking about the need for VRM cooling.

I'm speaking mainly of 2011, 1366, and AM3+ with six or eight core CPUs. I though this was fairly clear from my previous posts.

You could rip the VRM sinks off most 1155 boards over 150 dollars and pack cotton balls around them and they would be fine at high OCs, 24/7.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Tell that to the folders out there that fold 24/7 on CLC's (like my second sig rig). Running 24/7 at full load since August and not a single problem. Other guys have been at it for years with no VRM issues. VRM cooling is pretty much a non-factor with current Intel boards save socket 2011 where active VRM cooling is definitely a necessity (had to put mine under water to achieve 5GHz)....
Well, it is definitely true that it will reduce the lifetime of the board, but it may matter as much as overclocking reducing the lifetime of your CPU.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

Tell that to the folders out there that fold 24/7 on CLC's (like my second sig rig). Running 24/7 at full load since August and not a single problem. Other guys have been at it for years with no VRM issues. VRM cooling is pretty much a non-factor with current Intel boards save socket 2011 where active VRM cooling is definitely a necessity (had to put mine under water to achieve 5GHz)....

Decent 1155 boards have completely overkill VRM (much lower current draw and much more room for the VRM), and I am almost never referring to them when I'm talking about the need for VRM cooling.

I'm speaking mainly of 2011, 1366, and AM3+ with six or eight core CPUs. I though this was fairly clear from my previous posts.

You could rip the VRM sinks off most 1155 boards over 150 dollars and pack cotton balls around them and they would be fine at high OCs, 24/7.

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Decent 1155 boards have completely overkill VRM (much lower current draw and much more room for the VRM), and I am almost never referring to them when I'm talking about the need for VRM cooling.
I'm speaking mainly of 2011, 1366, and AM3+ with six or eight core CPUs. I though this was fairly clear from my previous posts.
You could rip the VRM sinks off most 1155 boards over 150 dollars and pack cotton balls around them and they would be fine at high OCs, 24/7.
Well, if you try really hard, you can probably deliver the 2000 watts to your core i7 that the Z77X-UP7 is capable of.
post #136 of 145
I don't know if this would be off-topic, but what do you guys think would be the temp difference between the upcoming Swiftech H220 AIO CLC and the original Thermalright Silver Arrrow?
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I don't know if this would be off-topic, but what do you guys think would be the temp difference between the upcoming Swiftech H220 AIO CLC and the original Thermalright Silver Arrrow?

I don't know if it's really a concern about the OT comment... since it's a dead thread anyway which you just resurrected. My guess would be the H220 will get better temperatures and the Silver Arrow will be significantly quieter with around a 10-15% deficit in absolute cooling performance. Although it's impossible to say how each will perform in any given case - as both will be fairly dependent on restriction and general airflow issues (most obviously your ambient). Martin did a thorough review and there are many videos posted about it... I can guarantee it will cool better (the H220 that is) in it's default state... but if you expanded it to a second rad or added 2 more fans for push-pull... I guarantee it will beat any CLC system currently available and many custom loops as well. The Silver Arrow would not be a match for it at all... unless you value QUIET more than you value PERFORMANCE... in that case it might still beat it. biggrin.gif
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I don't get it. How would the SA be quieter?
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I don't get it. How would the SA be quieter?

Pretty simply... SA = 2X 140mm fans running at 900-1300RPM at (specified at least) 19dBA noise levels (assumedly at the 900).

H220 has 2X 120mm fans running at 800-1800RPM at (also specified) 16-33dBA.

In reviews and in my own experience - the cooling on air coolers is generally fairly efficient at lower speeds... so it's reasonable to have the SA running close to minimums.

The radiator used in the H220 is 14fpi and fairly straight - so it should be good for slower speeds but I'm guessing and also extrapolating based on the reviews Martin did - that the nominal speeds on the H220's Helix PWM fans for adequate airflow to be around 1000-1100 so at a guess around 22dBA. However, as there is also pump noise involved - although it is largely limited by their design - it is still creating small amounts of noise and vibration.

When you couple this with the fact that the fans on the H220 will be directly attached to the case itself and open to the air (thus better able to transmit their noise to the surround environment) as opposed to the SA which will be operating inside an enclosed case which if it includes damping materials will limit transmitted vibrations.

I could expand on this more, but I think if you do a little more research you'll find that with the exception of custom loops (I run all the fans in my main rig on my two 360 rads at 700RPM unless I'm benching - so it's definitely quieter) in most cases an air cooler is quieter or at least can be made to be quieter. In some cases they can cool almost as well or even better than some CLC's (like the OP in this thread) - but in most situations CLC's may cool a little better but are also a little louder.
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Pretty simply... SA = 2X 140mm fans running at 900-1300RPM at (specified at least) 19dBA noise levels (assumedly at the 900).

H220 has 2X 120mm fans running at 800-1800RPM at (also specified) 16-33dBA.

In reviews and in my own experience - the cooling on air coolers is generally fairly efficient at lower speeds... so it's reasonable to have the SA running close to minimums.

The radiator used in the H220 is 14fpi and fairly straight - so it should be good for slower speeds but I'm guessing and also extrapolating based on the reviews Martin did - that the nominal speeds on the H220's Helix PWM fans for adequate airflow to be around 1000-1100 so at a guess around 22dBA. However, as there is also pump noise involved - although it is largely limited by their design - it is still creating small amounts of noise and vibration.

When you couple this with the fact that the fans on the H220 will be directly attached to the case itself and open to the air (thus better able to transmit their noise to the surround environment) as opposed to the SA which will be operating inside an enclosed case which if it includes damping materials will limit transmitted vibrations.

I could expand on this more, but I think if you do a little more research you'll find that with the exception of custom loops (I run all the fans in my main rig on my two 360 rads at 700RPM unless I'm benching - so it's definitely quieter) in most cases an air cooler is quieter or at least can be made to be quieter. In some cases they can cool almost as well or even better than some CLC's (like the OP in this thread) - but in most situations CLC's may cool a little better but are also a little louder.

Interesting. So I guess the difference isn't really worth the investment of changing my current cooler to the H220, right?

What do you mean the H220 fans will be directly connected to the case?
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