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I know that, but my point was that these OLED TV's are going to cost all this money for what? Because they're thin? But they'll be somewhat dated by the end of the year since they're still only 1080p. Meanwhile a person that doesn't mind waiting until the end of the year can buy a much better TV for less than half the price. I wasn't really trying to compare OLED and Ultra D, just state that it will make all the hype (and price tag) behind OLED seem unfounded. It will shame (what I meant by putting OLED to shame) the people who bought a $10,000 1080p TV when their neighbor has a $4,000 2160p 3D TV.

I guess I should have put "....it will put these new OLED TV's to shame.

My fault for not communicating my point well.

Well, OLED is a new technology. Early adopters always pay a premium. Do you think LCD or Plasma screens, hell even CRTs started out cheap? Of course not. I have a family friend who worked at Cambridge Soundworks in the late 1990s and early 2000s; he sold Plasma and LCD TVs for over $30,000! By today's standards, they weren't very good, either.

The natural progression of technology means it starts out unstable and expensive, then slowly improves and gets less expensive. Ultra D is cool technology, but it's not the end-all-be-all to display technologies.

OLED's biggest hurdle is permanent image burn in due to the nature in-which the OLEDs are manufactured. There are proposed technologies in development that may alleviate this, such as software monitoring each pixel; however, it's not an issue that has been solved by any means.
 
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Well, OLED is a new technology. Early adopters always pay a premium. Do you think LCD or Plasma screens, hell even CRTs started out cheap? Of course not. I have a family friend who worked at Cambridge Soundworks in the late 1990s and early 2000s; he sold Plasma and LCD TVs for over $30,000! By today's standards, they weren't very good, either.

The natural progression of technology means it starts out unstable and expensive, then slowly improves and gets less expensive. Ultra D is cool technology, but it's not the end-all-be-all to display technologies.

OLED's biggest hurdle is permanent image burn in due to the nature in-which the OLEDs are manufactured. There are proposed technologies in development that may alleviate this, such as software monitoring each pixel; however, it's not an issue that has been solved by any means.

I understand that its new technology and that there is a premium paid to be the have the latest and greatest. I remember when LCD, Plasma, 3D, etc all hit the scene and where pretty damn expensive but I just feel that these OLED TV's can't really justify the price point simply for being thinner and having a "better image quality" if there's even better technology around the corner that will sell for less. And if that burn in issue is still an issue then that even further supports my feelings. Think of it this way: Would you go all out on a Build using a 2011 socket if in 6-8 months Intel was planning on coming out with a "3022" (completely made up of course) that was better for half the price? There are people out there that would say "yes" simply to have the "Best" at that moment and then still buy the 3022 when that came out. If they have that kind of money, good for them. But the average consumer is going to be a little more conservative with their money. And unless these TV's drop in price FAST (which will only add to the burn of those who pre-ordered) I don't really see them being able to compete.....unless they try and establish a "premium" branding of OLED that will at least give elitist something to brag about.

Anyway I'm losing focus here. Main point: It seems like a waste of money to me. Just an opinion.
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You can't just take a 1080p picture, make it 2160p, and expect anything good. You also can't turn a 2D picture into 3D. It sounds like a gimmick.

Conventional LEDs need to be used in favor of OLEDs. That's how you will deal with the burn-in problem.
 
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You can't just take a 1080p picture, make it 2160p, and expect anything good. You also can't turn a 2D picture into 3D. It sounds like a gimmick.

Conventional LEDs need to be used in favor of OLEDs. That's how you will deal with the burn-in problem.


Upconverting is nothign new. Blu-Ray players do it to DVD's all the time. As far as turning the 2D content into 3D I guess that has yet too be seen. From what I read it seems pretty legit but either way until the TV's hit the stores you and I can only speculate.


Also, your solution to fix the OLED burn-in is to stop using OLEDs? ....ok rolleyes.gif
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Most people are buying LED LCD TV's nowadays, however OLED HDTV's will take over in the next few months/years.

Plasma is basically dead with less than 5% market share.

Where did you pull that number from?

Plasma is still a much better technology then the LED's on the market, especially when you consider price to performance
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I got to see one of those at ces last year and it was amazing. Totally worth it if you have that kind of money to spend.
    
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Upconverting does not improve anything. You can only guess what should be there to fill in the missing information.

My solution to fix OLED burn-in is to not use ORGANIC LEDs, but conventional SEMICONDUCTOR LEDs. Most people couldn't care less if their gigantic TV is as thin as paper and flexible. Leave the trendy immature flexible OLED tech. for girly hand-held devices, and use the big-boy refined LED technology for manly applications like big TVs.
 
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Upconverting does not improve anything. You can only guess what should be there to fill in the missing information.

My solution to fix OLED burn-in is to not use ORGANIC LEDs, but conventional SEMICONDUCTOR LEDs. Most people couldn't care less if their gigantic TV is as thin as paper and flexible. Leave the trendy immature flexible OLED tech. for girly hand-held devices, and use the big-boy refined LED technology for manly applications like big TVs.

I've watched DVD's on a standard DVD player and then on a blu-ray player (same TV) and yes the picture is better. Is it suddenly 1080p? No, but there is an improvement. Otherwise, why would they even bother?

Don't get me wrong, I think this whole OLED thing is silly as well. Why the hell do I care if my TV is as thin as a cd case.....how the hell do you mount it to anything? You can't mount it to a wall because there hardly room for the screws to grab enough so your $10,000 TV doesn't come crashing to the floor. It just seems ridiculous to pay so much money for something so impractical especially with (and this was my initial point in case you missed it) even better functional technology less than a year away.

What sounds more plausible:

"Let's all go to John's house to watch the game because his TV is so thin!"

or

"Let's all go to Rick's house to watch the game because his TV has the best resolution!"
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Really apples and oranges and not a very scientific test (you knew which was which).
 
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Sorry I've been away for a bit, but I'm a little confused as to what you're implying. That comparing OLED and 4K resolustion is comparing apples and oranges? If so I agree that a direct comparison seems "unfair" but my point wasn't really to compare them as two technologies head to head but as two products that someone in the market for a TV would be considering. My point, which I seem to be failing at expressing, is that a guy goes into a store to buy a new TV. Does he a) spend 10 grand on a TV because its thinner or b) does he spend the 5 grand on a TV that has a far superior picture? At the end of they day I guess neither of us can really answer that question. For all we know the guy is filthy rich and doesn't care how good the picture is, he just wants a TV that thin and vice versa. in my opinion buying a $10,000 dollar TV today just because its thin is completely ridiculous when if one would just wait a little longer, they can buy a better TV that may be a little thicker (although probably not by much because its still using LEDs) for literally half that. To me its the same as buying the latest Lamborghini because it has a racing stripe on it for 500K when in less than a year a faster, better handling Lambo is due for 250K but it may or may not have a racing stripe.


...you know what, the wealthy do tend to have more money than sense so after all this I'm realizing that I'm not taking that into consideration. I mean anyone who spends that kind of money on brand new technology that hasn't even had all the bugs worked out clearly doesn't view money the same way you(and I'm assuming here) or I would. For them, its "I need to have the latest at any cost!".

....all this for nothing rolleyes.gif
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