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I've had one N270 Atom powered, Windows XP Netbook, and now I have a dual core Atom N550 Windows 7 Starter Netbook, and I have to say I have mixed feelings:

- The first one I was just marvelled at it, that was a real computer in a 10.1" form factor, and it ran very fast too, even with Kaspersky Internet Security installed. But the screen was awful with mediocre PWM switching. Netbook screens in general are awful and that is one of the main problems. Some people will say it's because of the low resolution, but it isn't, it the panel quality, when looking at one with the Windows 7 Starter wallpaper, the picture looks pixelated, then there was an HP Mini 220 Netbook next to the others and it looked great, it was also more expensive, but that is the one I bought for my second Netbbok.

- OEMs fit all kinds of junk software in there, it's unbelievable, even completely useless dynamic icons and assistants for wireless connections, when Windows takes care of that already, I had to uninstall quite a few applications to get the Netbook to running speed.

- Despite the absurdly low price of RAM, they are still selling them with 1 GB of RAM, which is not enough these days. Having less RAM can actually mean Windows has to access the HDD more, meaning it more than offsets the increased power consumption of 2 GB of RAM.

- Working with Windows requires a certain ratio between screen size and resolution, 1024x600 on a 10.1" screen is acceptable, but increasing the resolution on the same panel size wouldn't work for most people, letters would become too small, so while initially you could live with it, nowadays 1024x600 seems like it's not enough and so 10.1" will give way to 11.6" screens with a 1366x768 resolution. They are a bit bigger, although with a bit of engineering you can fit an 11.6" screen in almost the same size of a 10.1" Netbook chassis, that will be the future.

- The Atom, which sells more than AMD's solution, has an in-order architecture and it's not very well suited to today's usage habits, it stalls too much, that's why they are now going to release the 22nm Atoms with an out of order architecture. The GPU will also be based on Ivy Bridge graphics, meaning we will finally have a convincing (if not too powerful) GPU solution from Intel.

All in all, I think OEMs mean that 10.1" cheap Netbooks are on the way out, just like the original 7" Eee PC was replaced with the 8.9" ones, which were then replaced with 10.1" ones. Some people don't call 11.6 machines Netbooks, for example, nobody calls the 11.6" MacBook Air a Netbook, but a PC with an Atom inside in the same size might very well be called a Netbook; those are here to stay, especially those that cost more than a Netbook, that is, they come with 4 GB of RAM, Windows 7 Home Premium (now Windows 8), a 500 GB HDD, and a faster AMD E series APU. The only problem with these right now is that they use 18w APUs and the fan is always running from what I remember reading, but the 28nm Kabini models should bring us better choices in that regard.

Having said all this, I think the current price point of Netbooks doesn't have much future. The HP Mini 220 series I bought did cost more than what people want to spend on a Netbook, but it came with a good quality screen (for a Netbook, of course, the viewing angles are not that great, but otherwise the image quality is pretty good compared to other Netbooks and the PWM circuitry does it's job properly), a 7200rpm WD Scorpio Black HDD, which is a rare thing for Netbooks, which usually come with 5400 RPM HDDs, and a 6 cell, 66 W/h battery, which, although it makes the Netbook slightly heavier than the competition, gives it great battery life of up to 9-11 hours. Not to mention the design of the Netbook is excellent, the battery fits very well within the design; it comes with a chiclet type keyboard which is very comfortable to use and you can replace the HDD and RAM by only removing a panel (no screws involved).

The latest Asus Eee PCs for example, make you disassemble the Netbook, taking out the keyboard from above in order to access the HDD. And supposedly the 1 GB of RAM comes soldered to the motherboard (Asus says it on their site, although some people have claimed this isn't true, it's just to deter people from disassembling the Netbook), so they essentially made their Netbooks worse by making upgrades harder, so it's no wonder even less people will buy them. Maybe they wanted to save even more money, and the truth it, they haven't been as cheap as they are now, but maybe people want something a little better for a bit more money.

Better equipped and more expensive 11.6" Ultra portables / Netbooks are here to stay.

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Originally Posted by kow_ciller View Post

I loved the hell out of my netbook while I had it.
Thing was perfect for taking notes in class and taking on trips.
Tablets are nice and all but typing with any sort of real speed can be a pain.

The problem with them was that people expected to use netbooks as daily drivers and for that they just fall short.

And unless people use their Atom powered tablets solely as tablets, they will be disappointed pretty soon also.

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Originally Posted by earwig1990 View Post

Were they ever alive? They had around the same drive space as a smartphone which did all the same things minus disk drive and usb inputs.

Not a chance, the Netbook with the lowest capacity I've ever seen had a 30 GB HDD back in the beginning of Netbooks, but the norm back then was 80 GB, with the top of the line ones being 160 GB. Over the years that increased to 250 GB and now they have 320 GB HDDs. Also, on a Netbook you can install a proper browser which will render all your web pages correctly, and if one doesn't, you can always install another browser.

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Originally Posted by M3T4LM4N222 View Post

I had a netbook for awhile it wasn't bad at all. HOWEVER my mother had a EEEPC powered by a 900MHZ Celeron and it was USELESS. I think if AMD crammed one of their APU's in a netbook with an 11" screen...then i'd buy one again. With more power they'd be great for major portability.

They do, HP sells the popular DM1 series with 4 GB of RAM and a 500 GB HDD and Windows 7 Home Premium (now Windows 8) and an E series APU. They started with the E-350, then the E-450 and now they are selling them with the slightly revised E1-1200 and E2-1800 APUs. They are 18w 40nm APUs though. I'm waiting for the 28nm Kabini APUs and Intel's 22nm Atoms before thinking about buying another Netbook.
Edited by tpi2007 - 1/2/13 at 8:08pm
 
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I myself am not a fan of Netbooks. My grandmother, on the other hand, loves her Acer AspireOne. Let's face it, she isn't going to be doing any hardcore gaming or running any power hungry applications on it. She only uses it for a few games from the Acer store, Facebook, and email. I am thinking about getting her a 120GB SSD for her as she doesn't use the 320GB of space she has available, and she probably never will.
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I can't wait for 'ultrabooks' to be super affordable (IMO a sub-$500) so that we can stop having WIndows Laptops that crap out every 1-2 years.
 
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About time.
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shame because I enjoy my asus amd eee pc. put a 32 gb ssd in it combined with the 1366x768 screen makes a real enjoyable internet browser and simple task machine.
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Originally Posted by morbid_bean View Post

Ok Netbooks are not as bad as people claim them to be. The PROBLEM with them is that people were trying to bite off more than it can chew. Of course it cant run crysis! Yet its been tried, and when it doesn't work, we ask the forums for help. My little Lenovo has done me well over the years for my OCN browsing needs, Youtube, Music, and Movies.
The damn thing was getting outdated, and it was time for a change. LINUX! thumb.gif now this little sucker is running as strong as I need it!

I've got the same netbook running Crunchbang Linux and it's all I need. I will take a netbook with a keyboard over a tablet any day of the week. I actually have another accer netbook for Army only which is nice considering all the software and back dated programs you have to run just to sign paperwork electronically. They still have a small purpose for some.
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Originally Posted by jellis142 View Post

Yes, yes it does smile.gif Pretty much the most powerful 11"~ without shelling out for an Ultrabook/something much more expensive.

UMMMMM NO.

http://kotaku.com/5912757/the-origin-eon+11s-is-an-impressive-gaming-machine-masquerading-as-a-netbook
this is.

or this

http://www.notebookcheck.net/The-new-Clevo-W110ER-is-a-sub-1000-11-6-inch-Gaming-Notebook.74484.0.html

although more expensive, they are as powerful as a mid range full sized laptop. (a lot cheaper if found used)
Edited by ajslay - 1/2/13 at 8:20pm
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I can't wait for 'ultrabooks' to be super affordable (IMO a sub-$500) so that we can stop having WIndows Laptops that crap out every 1-2 years.

What makes a sub-$500 ultrabook better than a sub-$500 laptop?
Btw, if your laptop "Craps-out" because of the OS, just re-install, update, or change the OS.
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I still have an EeePC 1215N with a dual-core Atom D525, 4GB RAM and I upgraded to a 64GB Crucial M4. So far it's proven quite decent but it is beginning to show it's age.
     
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I use to love the netbook form factor. I had 3 of them over the years hoping with each iteration of Intel Atom, it would get significantly faster and hopefully with enough time they would start cramming higher res screens and discreet gpu's. Boy was I wrong. I think the Intel Atom actually got slower. AMD's new APU's would be great in this form factor with a decent res screen.

U saw that AMD C70, 11.6" Acer Netbook less than 200 dollars on walmart from slickdeals?

http://slickdeals.net/f/5707170-Acer-Red-11-6-AO725-0687-Laptop-PC-with-AMD-Dual-Core-C-70-Accelerated-Processor-and-Windows-8-Operating-System-198-Walmart-B-M

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?affillinktype=10&dest=9999999997&product_id=21853455&sourceid=09848473692368756840&veh=aff&wmlspartner=lw9MynSeamY

Card Reader
320 GB HDD
USB 3.0
HDMI


seems like a much better deal than any Nexus 7. (Unless you got a 32 GB for 150 bucks)

I love opening lots of browsers and even use 2 side by side with a 768p screen.

I hope they NEVER discontinue great value netbooks. T.T
It's a GREAT option.

I wouldn't mind some warmth for the price (gets pretty warm >.<)
Edited by tubers - 1/2/13 at 8:52pm
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