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Yes. Because they test at stock.
At stock the GTX 670 is faster, my GTX 670 @ stock clocks (1228/6208) was faster than my current HD 7950 @ (900/5000) .
Once overclocked the 7950 will win in most demanding bandwidth hungry games (The Witcher 2, Crysis games, Sleeping Dogs, Metro 2033, F3AR (4x AA) ...etc ) and at any resolution higher than 1920x1200. The GTX 670 will only win when the games don't put too much load on the bandwidth or when the fps is already too high on both cards.
My HD 7950 at 1100/1500 can easily beat my prior GTX (1300/7400) in those games, and when I Oc the 7950 to 1200+/1600+ there is no contest.
I know alot of people will accuse me as an AMD fanboy but this is the truth from someone tried both cards.

And tech review websites, generally, get very good cards to test with, because these companies know they will be overclocking them and want them to look good. The reality is they never ship like that (hardly, hence the term "golden sample").

It still remains to be seen out in the wild. My friend has a HD7950 and they perform pretty much the same as my card. You have to overclock and put more electricity though a HD7950 in order to get it to beat a stock GTX670. So, that still says the GTX670 is the better card.
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And tech review websites, generally, get very good cards to test with, because these companies know they will be overclocking them and want them to look good. The reality is they never ship like that (hardly, hence the term "golden sample").
It still remains to be seen out in the wild. My friend has a HD7950 and they perform pretty much the same as my card. You have to overclock and put more electricity though a HD7950 in order to get it to beat a stock GTX670. So, that still says the GTX670 is the better card.

Fail. Sorry the price difference makes the 7950 boost or even the 7950 a clear winner over the 670 GTX
http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/

If anything it's a draw. 670 does not > 7950. And definitely not price wise.
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And tech review websites, generally, get very good cards to test with, because these companies know they will be overclocking them and want them to look good. The reality is they never ship like that (hardly, hence the term "golden sample").

It still remains to be seen out in the wild. My friend has a HD7950 and they perform pretty much the same as my card. You have to overclock and put more electricity though a HD7950 in order to get it to beat a stock GTX670. So, that still says the GTX670 is the better card.

HD 7950 @ 1100/1500 (most of them can do that) generally is faster than my old GTX 670 @ 1300/7400 (golden chip).
The 670 will win in Heaven, 3D Mark and a few Nvidia optimized games.
The 7950 @ 1100/1500 will beat it in everything else.
7950 @ 1100/1500 = 7970 GE and GTX 670 require a pretty high OC to perform as good as a stock 7970 GE.
In Crysis Warhead, Metro 2033 & Sleeping Dogs my HD 7950 walks all over my old GTX 670 even when the latter is highly overlcocked, it is not even funny.
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Fail. Sorry the price difference makes the 7950 boost or even the 7950 a clear winner over the 670 GTX
http://www.techspot.com/review/603-best-graphics-cards/
If anything it's a draw. 670 does not > 7950. And definitely not price wise.

The GTX670 is on top in most of those tests... Why are you posting evidence that contradicts what you say?
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HD 7950 @ 1100/1500 (most of them can do that) generally is faster than my old GTX 670 @ 1300/7400 (golden chip).
The 670 will win in Heaven, 3D Mark and a few Nvidia optimized games.
The 7950 @ 1100/1500 will beat it in everything else.
7950 @ 1100/1500 = 7970 GE and GTX 670 require a pretty high OC to perform as good as a stock 7970 GE.
In Crysis Warhead, Metro 2033 & Sleeping Dogs my HD 7950 walks all over my old GTX 670 even when the latter is highly overlcocked, it is not even funny.

I'll take your word for it. I don't overclock my GPU's, because they're quite sensitive and I like to get the best life out of them (I can't afford to replacement out of warranty). From my personal experience, the GTX670 is better, and it's better in benchmarks, mostly, such as the post above.


While it may cost more, you get what you pay for and that's always been the case. Driver support (evidenced by this and the other thread) and CUDA/PhysX (and I'd like to stress that I've always been a big supporter of NVidia making PhysX open to all. Just sayin')
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I'll take your word for it. I don't overclock my GPU's, because they're quite sensitive and I like to get the best life out of them (I can't afford to replacement out of warranty). From my personal experience, the GTX670 is better, and it's better in benchmarks, mostly, such as the post above.
While it may cost more, you get what you pay for and that's always been the case. Driver support (evidenced by this and the other thread) and CUDA/PhysX (and I'd like to stress that I've always been a big supporter of NVidia making PhysX open to all. Just sayin')

Yep. For people who don't overclock GTX 670 is obviously the better choice thumb.gif . PhysX is awesomely implemented in Borderlands 2 it is kinda bad I can't run it with PhysX anymore (game will become very slow) but I think this is a small sacrifice for the extra performance I get in some games.
Also the extra 1 GB is very useful to me for my modded Skyrim.
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Yep. For people who don't overclock GTX 670 is obviously the better choice thumb.gif . PhysX is awesomely implemented in Borderlands 2 it is kinda bad I can't run it with PhysX anymore (game will become very slow) but I think this is a small sacrifice for the extra performance I get in some games.
Also the extra 1 GB is very useful to me for my modded Skyrim.

Lets not forget what this article is based on.....stutter. That does not make it the better card at all. They inflated there FPS and therefor increasing the lag. Some people may say "I dont notice lag?" well I did. and it ruined some games for me. I would hope they can fix the lag, without losing the inflated FPS but we dont know yet. Remember not to long ago the 7950 was not even close to the 670.

Also, I would like to point out when games get released, AMD cards tend to have issues, and need updates. Im not saying this does not happen to Nvidia, but not nearly as often. That's also a key factor in a purchase.
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Yep. For people who don't overclock GTX 670 is obviously the better choice thumb.gif . PhysX is awesomely implemented in Borderlands 2 it is kinda bad I can't run it with PhysX anymore (game will become very slow) but I think this is a small sacrifice for the extra performance I get in some games.
Also the extra 1 GB is very useful to me for my modded Skyrim.

I also run texture mods and such on Skyrim (I have the 2k texture mod going), with great effect and zero slow downs. I also play all my games at 60FPS+ (I lock it to 60FPS because I don't like screen tearing) so, really, this card runs just fine and I can't see the need for an inferior card that I have to overclock to get good performance from. My friend wishes he had my card and he runs a HD7950. He's an AMD guy.
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I have a feeling it is because of GCN architecture on AMD's limited budget? 7000 series was probably half baked like Bulldozer
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Additionally, when we switched from the old VLIW architecture to the GCN core there was a significant updates to all parts of the driver was needed – although not really spoken about the entire memory management on GCN is different to prior GPU's and the initial software management for that was primarily driven by schedule and in the meantime we've been rewriting it again and we have discovered that the new version has also improved frame latency in a number of cases so we are accelerating the QA and implementation of that.
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Me thinks it about time to upgrade from my 6970 to a 7970 soon.

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I also run texture mods and such on Skyrim (I have the 2k texture mod going), with great effect and zero slow downs. I also play all my games at 60FPS+ (I lock it to 60FPS because I don't like screen tearing) so, really, this card runs just fine and I can't see the need for an inferior card that I have to overclock to get good performance from. My friend wishes he had my card and he runs a HD7950. He's an AMD guy.
The game used to stutter badly with my 670 because of running out of VRAM constantly . I dont regret it one bit by upgrading to a 7950 only need PhysX for BL2 but this can be easily resolved by using my GTX 470 as the PhysX card but it is not worth it for one game on my book. the GTX 670 is weak for high resolutions and high AA levels which might not cut it very much when I upgrade to 2560*1440 .
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