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I don't get why you are defending this dude?
All it does it make their product worse to the end user. That is the absolute bottom line. The only way you take the other side of this and it makes sense is you work for Nvidia.

Sorry, but

1. Why is it always "you must work for company X" when you disagree with someone? I WISH I worked for NVidia because I'd be a rich guy who doesn't give a rats about burning out components.

2. How is this bad for the end users? This is bad for enthusiasts who want to burn their gear and get replacements. I'm an end user, I don't overclock my cards. This benefits me because when/if I call with a malfunction, they will know if I OC'd my card outside safe limits or not. I will get my replacement free of hassle. If you don't care about burning the gear, you can void your warranty. I've seen people put their CPU under DICE and then try to warranty it when they kill it. Then I've seen people get a DOA and be refused.

3. Look on the forums and tell me you don't see people getting denied warranties over stuff that should be covered totally for? And why do you think that is?

NVidia totally nuked this series because AMD left them with nothing. They released mid-end cards at high end prices because AMD dropped the ball in play. They're cutting costs and saving money and, yep, that sucks for these world record guys, but honestly for people like me it makes no difference at all, and people like me vastly outnumber the people who want to push their stuff to the limits.
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Sorry, but
1. Why is it always "you must work for company X" when you disagree with someone? I WISH I worked for NVidia because I'd be a rich guy who doesn't give a rats about burning out components.
2. How is this bad for the end users? This is bad for enthusiasts who want to burn their gear and get replacements. I'm an end user, I don't overclock my cards. This benefits me because when/if I call with a malfunction, they will know if I OC'd my card outside safe limits or not. I will get my replacement free of hassle. If you don't care about burning the gear, you can void your warranty. I've seen people put their CPU under DICE and then try to warranty it when they kill it. Then I've seen people get a DOA and be refused.
3. Look on the forums and tell me you don't see people getting denied warranties over stuff that should be covered totally for? And why do you think that is?
NVidia totally nuked this series because AMD left them with nothing. They released mid-end cards at high end prices because AMD dropped the ball in play. They're cutting costs and saving money and, yep, that sucks for these world record guys, but honestly for people like me it makes no difference at all, and people like me vastly outnumber the people who want to push their stuff to the limits.

Serious? This is the largest jump in performance in one generation in a long time. Just because Nvidia had issues getting out something faster dont get mad at amd.
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post #183 of 302
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Serious? This is the largest jump in performance in one generation in a long time. Just because Nvidia had issues getting out something faster dont get mad at amd.

GK104 is a really small chip. AMD got their perf jump from going from 389mm^2 die to a 365mm^2 die. NV on the other hand got the jump going from 520mm^2 die to a 294mm^2 die.

NV has also been sitting on a monster chip since November, they just have no need to release anything based off GK110.
 
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post #184 of 302
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GK104 is a really small chip. AMD got their perf jump from going from 389mm^2 die to a 365mm^2 die. NV on the other hand got the jump going from 520mm^2 die to a 294mm^2 die.
NV has also been sitting on a monster chip since November, they just have no need to release anything based off GK110.
GK104 is probably smaller because of reduced compute performance and a narrower memory bus.
AMD has mostly been conservative with their die size.
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GK104 is probably smaller because of reduced compute performance and a narrower memory bus.
AMD has mostly been conservative with their die size.

extra compute features make a difference but not even close to that big of a difference...

The point I was trying to make was that NV made a much bigger jump this gen, even if that jump didn't really help consumers.
 
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Yeah, NVidia released a chip taht could be seen as mid-end that competed with AMD's high end, simply because the performance of these cards was in line with AMD's best at the time. So, NVidia nuked their series this time around and held back the good stuff, because AMD's offerings weren't as good as theirs.

It's a slant on both companies to be honest. NVidia held out on us and could've released a monster, but didn't and AMD faltered.
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To be fair we have no idea how NV was doing with bigger chips before november. So it might have been a complete disaster for them.

But right now, yes they are sitting on a nice big meaty chip that they don't need to release.
 
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Either way, unlucky for AMD their got caught with their pants down right at the moment the industry starts testing frametimes.
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Actually the performance jump on Nvidia side is more impressive this generation.
12% smaller die for almost 90% to over 100% increase in performance.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/555?vs=547

The market segmentation Nvidia is targeting using the GTX 680 doesn't have anything to do with this. GK104 is a mid-range chip that was originally targeted to be the successor of GF114 & GF104. The GK100 wasn't fully matured and they used the GK104 to target the high-end segmentation since it does compete pretty well with Tahiti .
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Would be nice to see amd go all out and Create a monster of a card. Sadly i doubt that will happen any time soon.

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