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I've owed three ATI cards and three Nvida...I have had just as many problems with one as the other. My two cents.


ATI:

9600xt(first real GPU, I loved it)
X850pro(loved this one as well)
5770 1GB (not bad, not as awesome as the other two)

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This is partially untrue but ultimately true. You can either choose to go the windowed fullscreen route to retain colors or find some of those programs that apply color changes as exe launches, but they only work on exe games and have certain issues with launchers. If anyone cares that much to have perfect colors and the work they do requires it, they should be using Quadro and Firepro cards and should have no issues there. Your point remains that's it's more problematic on NV and AMD but I don't think it's a big issues. I hope as more gamers move to multi screen setups and more start to use windowed fullscreen this will become more of a non issue. Again though, your point remains.
I think what's absurd is the thought that we should change the meaning of "stock" tests , which defeats the purpose, because one company decided to change the game.


The entire point of "stock" tests were to eliminate skewed results when people compared them to OC'd results and try to keep everything in context. For example I could say that because my 460's do 925/2175 and beat stock 470's they're clearly superior to the 470s, we all know this is ludicrous because both have OC headroom and you can OC a 470 to overtake it and then pass a 480, ect.


The fact that NV decided that their cards can now OC 10-20% during loads, while it is good for plug and play gamers, skews the results in benchmarks to their favor and changes the meaning of "stock" benchies as it pertains to PC gamers.

While all of that is awesome for those everyday people (casuals/non gamers) who think I'm talking Japanese when I say "I have a sandy i5 @ 4.7, sammy ram @ so and so clocks, my 460's OC'd to this and that, with my Catleap and it has vram issues cuse of the 1gig" , we here in OCN know the difference between stock and MAX OC. We know most 7970's/680s don't hit 1400 and we settle on more normal avg max numbers like 1250 7970 vs 1325 680 when we want to bench "high average" OC.

The spirit of "Stock" tests were to not include OC and to stay base, just because a 1025 680 boosting to 1175 beats a 925 7970 this does absolutely nothing for our members but skew results and perpetuate NV's image of superiority. One card is basically closing in on their max OC while the other has way more headroom and can make up a lot of distance when it gets OC'd.


We're not regular people who go to BB and buy those $500+tax 2GB 670's with reference coolers and have the "Geek Squad" install them for us.

We're the people who buy Korean 27" IPS QHD screens to OC them and mess with drivers, we casually break the old cardinal rule about mixing water and electronics in the chase of performance, decapitate CPU's (Ivy) tongue.gif, volt mod our GPUs then bake them when we fry them and hope to revive them lachen.gif .

The point is most of us here know better, we know what stock is supposed be and when know what isn't, just because NV wants to change the meaning of "stock" and wants to add a boost doesn't mean we should test apples to apples on juice.

I demand we retest Lance Arms....errr I mean Jen-Hsun Huang cards and put them at an actual stock tongue.gif I kid I kid, but you guys get my point.

I know some will disagree but this is my take on "stock", but like I said anything that helps us out as gamers from either company is a good thing, FC3 should be fixed soon......Skyrim.......good luck..... but general lantencies improvements for smoother gameplay is welcomed. thumb.gif

I appreciate the argument you're trying to make...but you could do with being less verbose and more to-the-point. Being so long-winded dilutes your argument. The point you made could have been made in 3-5 sentences tops.
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^ no originally you tried to say that the NVidia card looked worse, despite the evidence/facts showing the contrary. The AMD card suttered more frequently and in larger amounts. The NVidia card stuttered less frequently and in smaller amounts.

Don't see how saying the 7950 showing worse visual jumps than the smoother looking 660ti in the slow-mo video is me saying that the nvidia card looked worse. There are a select few in multiple threads now trying to twist my words. Read it over, maybe you'll get it.

The video showed the 7950 jumping less often per second of video compared to the 660ti. The big difference was the 660ti jumps were less severe and staggered better so it was less noticeable and would even blend in with motion blur. Very unnoticeable. The 7950 however, while having fewer jumps in the same time period, had far more severe jumps that were more sporadic. I state this as being my opinion from watching those videos everyone talks about.

Again, how some of you people keep claiming I'm saying the nvidia card looked worse, you can't read. Now please, drop this as its getting off topic and we're running in circles. My posts are there, you can read them. Please stop trying to change my statements... I have no clue why you'd want to, but hey, people have their reasons.

Anywho, I'm gonna have to start using the block feature on here rolleyes.gif
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Enable dynamic vsync, Tahiti is smoother than Kepler.
Enabling dynamic vsync on Kepler does not affect smoothness, smooth to begin with though.
So it can be done if AMD puts forth the effort.
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To this day I still haven't noticed any smoothness issues with my 7970's. Granted I do not have Skyrim (and FC3 is totally broken on my sig rig) but all my other games and benches run smooth as butter on my CF 7970 rig...
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Don't see how saying the 7950 showing worse visual jumps than the smoother looking 660ti in the slow-mo video is me saying that the nvidia card looked worse. There are a select few in multiple threads now trying to twist my words. Read it over, maybe you'll get it.

The video showed the 7950 jumping less often per second of video compared to the 660ti. The big difference was the 660ti jumps were less severe and staggered better so it was less noticeable and would even blend in with motion blur. Very unnoticeable. The 7950 however, while having fewer jumps in the same time period, had far more severe jumps that were more sporadic. I state this as being my opinion from watching those videos everyone talks about.

Again, how some of you people keep claiming I'm saying the nvidia card looked worse, you can't read. Now please, drop this as its getting off topic and we're running in circles. My posts are there, you can read them. Please stop trying to change my statements... I have no clue why you'd want to, but hey, people have their reasons.

Anywho, I'm gonna have to start using the block feature on here rolleyes.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/1337751/tr-geforce-versus-radeon-captured-on-high-speed-video/210#post_18825573

No, I'm going off your post. You try to say the 660Ti looks worse, despite hard evidence showing it doesn't and isn't.
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My view. The 660ti is definately having more serious issues,

Despite the fact that the graphs showed that the 660Ti had a smoother, stable benchmark, and the 7950 had a horrible, unstable benchmark.
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Yep those "graphs" will get you every time! "Never mind what your eyes are telling you, I've got a graph that says your card sucks!"
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Yep those "graphs" will get you every time! "Never mind what your eyes are telling you, I've got a graph that says your card sucks!"

Sorry, but hard numbers are way more reliable and the way you attempt to perceive things through your personal bias. Which is my point. He can say that he thinks the NVidia card looked worse and had more serious problems, but judging by the data; he's wrong. The NVidia card, to most, looked smoother and the data shows it was. The difference between frametimes was smaller and tighter on the NV card, giving the smoother performance 8/10 people could easily see.

Data > "I think"
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hard numbers are way more reliable

Well, as long as they are in context and one knows how to interpret them.
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Sorry, but hard numbers are way more reliable and the way you attempt to perceive things through your personal bias. Which is my point. He can say that he thinks the NVidia card looked worse and had more serious problems, but judging by the data; he's wrong. The NVidia card, to most, looked smoother and the data shows it was. The difference between frametimes was smaller and tighter on the NV card, giving the smoother performance 8/10 people could easily see.

Data > "I think"

You look like a missionnary, its pathetic. Are you obsessed or what? Just go enjoy your card whatever it is and call it a day. Ok?
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