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1. Defend AMD despite experiencing issues
2. AMD acknowledges issues, announces they will fix it
3. idiots who has AMD cards desperately claim they don't need AMD to fix it, just to protect their broken pride because they posted there is no issues out of pride in the last thread


wheres the hope in society? a company is offering to fix driver problems and you guys are still not admitting that there is a problem..
 
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Originally Posted by AznDud333 View Post

1. Defend AMD despite experiencing issues
2. AMD acknowledges issues, announces they will fix it
3. idiots who has AMD cards desperately claim they don't need AMD to fix it, just to protect their broken pride because they posted there is no issues out of pride in the last thread
wheres the hope in society? a company is offering to fix driver problems and you guys are still not admitting that there is a problem..

Insulting brings you nowhere...

Still, this is a problem with GCN, as VLIW-based cards do not suffer of this issue. Not an excuse though, they've had almost a year to realize it/sort it out.

It's good to see AMD is working to fix it though.
   
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So if we have a situation where an SSD is released with a crippling defect and 40% performance hit with the controller that can only be fixed with a firmware update then would she ignore the update?

How about drivers? Should we throw out 12.7 / 12.11? and you 12.4 or whatever comes on discs?

No, we make exceptions. And as such I've made an exception here and fully believe boost has skewed results so now most high avg OC's is what matters to me.


Like I said "stock" to me means base clocks with no funny business when it comes to certain computer parts, it clearly means something else to you but my argument stands, you not agreeing with it is something else and you're free to.

On the reviewers sode I didn't mean to insult them nor did I say, it shouldn't be done, they should cripple performance, it was a bad review. What I meant was if a reviewer isn't reviewing something in a certain way that is not geared towards me I see very little value in for myself and cannot put it in the correct context. Or should I also care about how Mac's and Linux handle GPU's and benchmarks from them even though It doesn't pertain to my uses either?

I will give you an example where people see benchmarks not geared towards certain scenarios and twist them for their point of views.

When someone asks for help with choosing a GPU for WoW on a single 1080 screen the whole 7970 vs 680 debate begins and talk about memory bandwidth will eventually be used by one side. The fact that the wider bus only really helps at high resolutions and doesn't apply to this specific WoW user on a single 1080p screen doesn't matter because people take things out of context and just say 7970>680. Someone saw a review where a 7970 beat a 680 with three screens and in one scenario, that very few people will come across, and now in all gaming scenarios 7970>680 is spread as gospel by some, which we all know is not the case. If I can't know the clocks I can't put the review in it's proper context and as such I won't even bother remembering it because of unknown variables.


I only say this because I stated my opinion and my view which is and continues to view a bit more neutral than most here (though we're ALL biased) on what the meaning of "stock" is. I avoid getting caught up in such arguments the best I can but I will give my opinion from my point of view. Again whether you agree or disagree, is up to you, and you're free to disagree but merely how I see things.

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AMD have boost also so your argument is invalid.

My point was merely how I wish things would've be done, AMD reacted with their "boost" and I such I don't really care too anymore about reviews using "stock" clocks because nothing is "stock" anymore, but will still use them as reference every once in awhile for general users who need help. I will only worry about OC scenarios that affect me and be on my way though I work grave and need to sleep.
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My whole take on this is: I'm just glad that there's company like TR looking out for us, I myself is guilty for bashing their benchmark on this stuttering debacle. I'm also glad that amd people address that they were going to fix the problem. Lastly, I would like to give props to TR people on their effort to make a better gaming experience for both gpu platform.
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Memory bottleneck? I never heard of that when it comes to Nvidia or AMD cards. Could I get an explantion please? all google gives me are "CPU bottleneck" threads.

as in the 192 bit memory bus on the 660Ti that makes me laugh.
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Insulting brings you nowhere...
Still, this is a problem with GCN, as VLIW-based cards do not suffer of this issue. Not an excuse though, they've had almost a year to realize it/sort it out.
It's good to see AMD is working to fix it though.

insulting? im just frustrated by the stupidity i see here... if everytime theres a big enough problem and people ignore them, companies like AMD wouldn't bother fixing it, just like if your heaters broken, if you don't complain about it the rental company wont magically know about it and come over to fix it

not sure how my post is insulting, ive read about 3-4pages into this thread and i see so many "Experts" claim theres no such thing as bad memory optimization, despite AMD admitting it themselves.
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as in the 192 bit memory bus on the 660Ti that makes me laugh.

192 bit is infact a bit tiny, but hilariously nvidia achieved the higher clock for the VRAM, its almost like they switched roles from the GTX285/HD4890 days, where nvidia had bigger bus, lower clock while amd had the opposite
 
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I think what's absurd is the thought that we should change the meaning of "stock" tests , which defeats the purpose, because one company decided to change the game.

Stock has always meant the condition the product defaults to. If your definition was different, you were wrong.

Turning off turbo moves the part off of stock/default.
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The entire point of "stock" tests were to eliminate skewed results when people compared them to OC'd results and try to keep everything in context. For example I could say that because my 460's do 925/2175 and beat stock 470's they're clearly superior to the 470s, we all know this is ludicrous because both have OC headroom and you can OC a 470 to overtake it and then pass a 480, ect.
The fact that NV decided that their cards can now OC 10-20% during loads, while it is good for plug and play gamers, skews the results in benchmarks to their favor and changes the meaning of "stock" benchies as it pertains to PC gamers.

Problem with your examples here is that the dynamic clock speeds of a GTX 600 series card are the default. They are stock.

You can still do max OC comparisons, but if you turn off turbo, you are artificially crippling one part for your not-actually-stock tests.
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The spirit of "Stock" tests were to not include OC and to stay base

I vehemently disagree.

The "spirit" of stock tests is to show what you get out of the box, without having to do any tweaking or modifying of clock speeds or voltages.
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Not necessarily, when it comes to CPU we also factor it whether it's locked or unlocked and the cost associated with combined components because other things affect how we see cpu value.

Nearly all stock CPU tests you see anywhere leave CPU turbo boost intact, which is also a feature that can vary from part to part, even amongst the same model number.

It's quite possible for two 3930ks, for example, to turbo to different speeds during the same tasks, all other things being equal.
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Can we please correctly define the words we're using though?

Generally speaking, 'micro-stutter' was relegated to SLI/CF(X); in the notion that while pairing two 6850's (in example) might prove to produce 120FPS (or any higher-reporting FPS rate) in game 'X' yet when playing the game 'micro-stutter' causes the individual playing to see, experience, or 'feel' what seems like 30 FPS instead - due to - inconsistencies in both cards rendering times equally and evenly, something that was shown to be a problem for mid-range or lower cards (comparing 6950/70 CF to say 6850/70 CF).

So when you have a single-GPU rig and you say you experience 'stutter' - let's be clear. This is not 'micro-stutter'. It is simply 'stuttering' due to any number of reasons, including but not limited to, bottlenecks, driver problems, software problems, inherent coding problems with certain engines, etc etc.

Throwing the term 'micro-stutter' around like it happens in the same way with only a single GPU is ridiculous. I've not once (can't speak for everyone or anyone else) seen the same effect with a single GPU producing high FPS yet feeling like it's only getting quite lower FPS during play.

And back to topic - it's excellent that AMD is looking into the uneven/high latency frame times. This is good for everyone as Nvidia will likely follow suit should they find similar issues with their own hardware.
    
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The problem is that those are the same beta drivers that have been used to prove that AMD cards got a big performance boost and are in fact superior to NV ones.

The GHz 7970 is faster than the 680 using 12.10 WHQL drivers AFAIK. Well except the only voltage-unlocked 680 (Lightning)...
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I don't hardly post dude.....btw, nice monitor you got there dude.thumb.gif
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That was Homeless not me...btw, nice gpu you got there....


Lol could you be anymore immature?

Trying to insult someones hardware just cause you got butt hurt. rolleyes.gif

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as in the 192 bit memory bus on the 660Ti that makes me laugh.


Proof of this bottleneck? Other than gaming at 1440p of course.
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